[ElectricIreland]

Dealer told me today he was getting 270 miles from a full charge but the trip readings on car was a lot less. Based on my test drive today, kWh per mile and percentage battery readings in the car I calculated roughly it was around a 70kwh battery, ev6 had 10,000 miles on it so figures roughly matched a one year old battery that had 73kwh net at new. I’m interested to drive it on motorway for 50 miles at 70mph to see what kWh per mile I get, I’m hoping it’s more than my iPace which is a lot harder in fuel than the Tesla on the motorway as I want Kia ev6 to replace my iPace but I have a feeling it will do roughly the same kWh per mile than iPace based on my 3 test drives to date, i might even get wife to follow me in iPace to get a car by car comparison as 45k is a lot of change and I don’t want to change a car for a car that I was expecting to do more miles but in fact does less miles than my current car.

 

[GoneAwayNow]

My calcs are based on driving the EV6 17k miles and over 300k electric miles in last 8 years

as for losing visible capacity in 10k miles not a cats chance

Kia and Hyundai take the degradation from the hidden buffer. At 77k milesour Kona was still showing 100% SOH on our and Hyundais tests any degradation eating into the hidden buffer still doing the same miles as new

our EV6 shows 100% SoH at 17k miles as would be expecting as any degradation first comes from the hidden buffer.

 

[ElectricIreland]

Lithium battery’s degrade and degrade the most in 1st year of use, loads of resources online with more info on this, below is a resource that has been compiled using 6000 cars, a good read regarding battery degradation.

EV Battery Health - What 6,000 Batteries Tell Us | Geotab

Compare the average battery degradation for different vehicle makes and model years.

www.geotab.com

 

[GoneAwayNow]

Lithium battery’s degrade and degrade the most in 1st year of use, loads of resources online with more info on this, below is a resource that has been compiled using 6000 cars, a good read regarding battery degradation.

EV Battery Health - What 6,000 Batteries Tell Us | Geotab

Compare the average battery degradation for different vehicle makes and model years.

www.geotab.com

Yes but the way Kia and Hyundai do it the degradation comes from the Hidden buffer first so you wont see it in the first year or more, most Niro and Kona drivers are only just starting to see it drop into the High 90s fro 100% after 3 years as the initial was hidden in the buffer so did not affect usable range. But I seem to be banging my head on a wall here as you seem to profess to know more in a couple of test drives than those of us who have been driving these cars for 3+ years.. So will leave you to your opinion.

All I would say is Range is poor in Winter Range is Stunning in Summer (As good as or better than Kia say)

Drive it like a Tw4t and you will get poor range all the time.

Enjoy what you get I wont comment any more

 

[ElectricIreland]

Lithium car battery’s degrade, simple as, to state anything else is misleading people on here.
Some people on this site are claiming 300 miles or close to it on a single charge, my 3.5 hours in the car monitoring the kWh per mile is nothing close to this range, it’s closer to 200 than 300. As I said in an earlier post I have another hour test drive this Friday and I will report back battery percentage loss and kWh per mile compared to my 3 year old iPace.

 

[ElectricIreland]

I test drove the EV6 from Belfast to Dublin airport yesterday on 100% battery and compared it to an iPace that followed me. 200 miles on motorway, will post figures next week including battery left in both cars after drive.

 

[tangey]

I test drove the EV6 from Belfast to Dublin airport yesterday on 100% battery and compared it to an iPace that followed me. 200 miles on motorway, will post figures next week including battery left in both cars after drive.

Hell of a test drive, given that you'd decided to sell the car that you'd ordered that is arriving in a few weeks time.

 

[ElectricIreland]

As a result of 200 miles drive I’ve sold my reservation onto someone else based on test drive.

 

[tangey]

As a result of 200 miles drive I’ve sold my reservation onto someone else based on test drive.

Well done on shifting it so quickly, although given its been overwhelmingly received in a positive light by just about every press outlet, and that there is a long lead time on them, I guess that wasn't so surprising.

Wonder what the logistics is for that, I and most others on here were told by dealers that if we decided not to proceed, the dealer could not keep the car and it had to go back into a pool. So I guess that policy has changed, or maybe the ultimate owner will be the 2nd registered owner.

 

[Logicpro8]

Seeing 299 miles on this weeks 100% charge, actually GPS miles were 291 so not far away thats up at 3.7 miles per KWh, as usual the car GOM and GPS satnav from back in the day are close. Thats with motorway driving at 65-70.....80 and lots of town driving and 50-60mph driving with regen on a anything lower than 40mph and off above 40mph.

200 miles on a single charge!!! thats like 2.5 miles per KWh, might as well be driving a petrol car, were you booting it down the motorway in sport mode?. I done the M8 from Glasgow to Edinburgh at silly o'clock in the morning in sport mode going "pretty" fast and still seen 2.9miles per KWh.

One suggestion is that the car you drive has been booted about and the cars GOM shows very bad range, even at 100% charge. It takes weeks of careful driving for the range to go back up, thats why owners are seeing 300+ miles and test drivers and not as keen to buy a car that can only do 200 miles. This also happens with the Q4 Etron, range takes a while to adjust to driving style.

 

[tangey]

Belfast to Dublin airport is mostly all dual carriageway and motorway, so I'd suggest of that 200 miles drive, 90%+ of the distance is potentially at motorway speed. So unsurprising that it is "closer to 200 than 300".

 

[Logicpro8]

OK, so just chatted with an iPace owner at work on range...

She said... Many of owners she's chatted to and her seem to be getting 20oish miles on motorways in the winter, and 230-240 in summer. A few will tell you that they only get 180 in winter time. Of course, fast acceleration and high speed above 70mph have a massive effect plus AC and heating.

 

[Logicpro8]

Belfast to Dublin is mostly all dual carriageway and motorway, so I'd suggest of that 200 miles drive, 90%+ of the distance is potentially at motorway speed. So unsurprising that it is "closer to 200 than 300".

And probs done at high speed on a test drive with LOTS of fast acceleration goodbye range on any EV!

 

[ElectricIreland]

It was a motorway test - cruise control in good weather, I also got a net battery size from manager in Kia so will post that along with stats next week when I get back from Champions league final in Paris,

 

[ElectricIreland]

The Kia I sold the reservation for will be registered in new owners name as 1st owner. At 2k less than rrp the guy got a good deal plus he will have the car in 2 weeks time and not 8-9 months time. Kia dealer also told me Kia dealers were putting fake orders into Kia order system to secure EV6 stock so Kia stopped this nonsense by £1000 deposit and real customer names. I will post stats from my motorway drive next week when I get back from France.

 

[tangey]

Kia dealer also told me Kia dealers were putting fake orders into Kia order system to secure EV6 stock so Kia stopped this nonsense by £1000 deposit and real customer names.

Yes, this is what I heard from my dealer, hence why I asked how are they going to first register the car in the name of the person who did not place the order. Basically, there is no difference between what is happening in your instance, and the dealer just using a made up customer of "john Smith" to secure an order for a EV6 that they knew they could sell to someone.

As it happens my dealer did not take a deposit of me, and I have £1500 discount, albeit on a GTLS AWD HP version.

 

[Logicpro8]

It was a motorway test - cruise control in good weather, I also got a net battery size from manager in Kia so will post that along with stats next week when I get back from Champions league final in Paris,

Would be interesting to know the data, but it does sound like the car has been driven hard previously, thus showing poor milage on the GOM which takes some weeks to come back to 300ish. Constant demos on driving the car would have likely seen fast acceleration and high speeds including sports mode I guess. You can only get a true mileage from the car after having having it for some months. You would see the same range as other owners 290-327 miles (UK/US reports). The dealers have no idea this happens, I asked 3 dealers about estimated range when I was buying, they all took if from their demo cars, 200 miles to 250 miles estimates I was given. Was the same in Audi with the Q4 ETRON, car had poor miles when I test drive it with 99% battery because it was driven buy lots of people before me.

What's net battery size? we know it's 77.4kWh in the UK spec cars, stats will likely not mean much from a demo car TBH. Its a shame you decided not to keep your car and sell it on based on test drives of a car that is only showing range based on how it was driven on those test drive weeks/months previous.

Note to dealers.....If you are trying to sell cars you shouldn't let customer boot it up and down the motorway in an EV.. Customer will be like 200 miles from a full charge.... no thanks

 

[ElectricIreland]

Estimated mileage the car will show based on previous driving is not something I have interest in and not something I based my decision on. I calculated the miles I would get based on KWh per mile the car was giving me after a test drive against car battery size to get a calculation, a very straight forward calculation. I charged the 4th car test drive to 100% and drove it on a journey until it was 1% to get an exact mileage the car would do. Electric cars don’t need to be driven 1000’s of miles to know what you will get out of it, one drive on a 100% battery will tell you all you need to know. I’ll post my test drive results on Tuesday/Wednesday once I’m back from France and no the EV6 does not have a usable 78kwh battery but more of this later this week.

 

[ElectricIreland]

A summary of motorway driving on 100% battery in the EV6 is average 2.5kwh per hour at 70mph which gave a total of 198 miles, this was in normal mode, no heating on. My iPace done 194 miles on same trip so for a larger 12kwh Battery the iPace performed poorly compared to Kia EV6 in terms of battery consumption But iPace being 4 wheel drive and iPace normal mode being quicker than KV6 in Sport mode so the extra speed no surprise to see it being less efficient. My 8 year old Tesla model S that has an 85kwh battery can do 235 miles on the motorway at 70mph so Tesla easily beats both for motorway driving. To summarise KV6 for motorway driving is not a great choice, if you are doing city driving mostly and a small amount of motorway driving then it is a viable option.
In terms of net battery capacity I have been told by a Kia dealer who got the figure from a Kia rep at a KV6 launch show that net battery is 72.9kwh. This figure matches my drive stats above when I take in the couple of miles getting onto and off the motorway.
On city driving the most I have seen is 3.6kwh per mile in the EV6 which works out around the 250 mile mark, I have never seen it go above 3.5kwh in all my 4 test drives. Dealer who has been driving the EV6 for last 5 months said he was getting between 240-260 miles but does limited motorway miles. Still a good range for the battery size but due to low motorway miles it is not viable for me.
Pro’s for Kia is seats, and small battery so it’s less to charge, easy to get into and out of and the suspension is very good. Negative is driver display screen, it’s very poor, this needs to be changed as it’s close to being useless. Claims of getting 300 miles in the Kia EV6 is nonsense, if I cannot get close to 300 miles in a Tesla with a bigger battery that is a more efficient car then I wont get it in the Kia No matter what people claim.
Good luck to everyone with their EV6 car.

 

[doodlebug]

A summary of motorway driving on 100% battery in the EV6 is average 2.5kwh per hour at 70mph which gave a total of 198 miles, this was in normal mode, no heating on. My iPace done 194 miles on same trip so for a larger 12kwh Battery the iPace performed poorly compared to Kia EV6 in terms of battery consumption But iPace being 4 wheel drive and iPace normal mode being quicker than KV6 in Sport mode so the extra speed no surprise to see it being less efficient. My 8 year old Tesla model S that has an 85kwh battery can do 235 miles on the motorway at 70mph so Tesla easily beats both for motorway driving. To summarise KV6 for motorway driving is not a great choice, if you are doing city driving mostly and a small amount of motorway driving then it is a viable option.
In terms of net battery capacity I have been told by a Kia dealer who got the figure from a Kia rep at a KV6 launch show that net battery is 72.9kwh. This figure matches my drive stats above when I take in the couple of miles getting onto and off the motorway.
On city driving the most I have seen is 3.6kwh per mile in the EV6 which works out around the 250 mile mark, I have never seen it go above 3.5kwh in all my 4 test drives. Dealer who has been driving the EV6 for last 5 months said he was getting between 240-260 miles but does limited motorway miles. Still a good range for the battery size but due to low motorway miles it is not viable for me.
Pro’s for Kia is seats, and small battery so it’s less to charge, easy to get into and out of and the suspension is very good. Negative is driver display screen, it’s very poor, this needs to be changed as it’s close to being useless. Claims of getting 300 miles in the Kia EV6 is nonsense, if I cannot get close to 300 miles in a Tesla with a bigger battery that is a more efficient car then I wont get it in the Kia No matter what people claim.
Good luck to everyone with their EV6 car.

I did a 210 mile journey recently in my GT-Line S AWD on the A14/M6. I kept up with traffic travelling at 70mph+ except for the bit on the M6 where there are roadworks and I averaged 3.5m/kWh. I started the journey with 100% charge and it still had 50 miles range remaining. As I said before, I think there is something wrong with your car.