[Gallojam]

Hi all,

How does the HDA2 (Highway Driving Assist version 2) compare to the autopilot from Tesla?

Anyone any idea?

Thank you!

 

[Relaxation82]

A quote from Tesla Autopilot - Wikipedia:

"Tesla Autopilot is a suite of advanced driver-assistance system features offered by Tesla that amounts to Level 2 vehicle automation. Its features are lane centering, traffic-aware cruise control, self-parking, automatic lane changes, semi-autonomous navigation on limited access freeways, and the ability to summon the car from a garage or parking spot. In all of these features, the driver is responsible and the car requires constant supervision."

To my knowledge, HDA2 is - as the name suggests - also level 2 autonomous driving system with a lane-keeping assist, adaptive cruise control, blind spot monitoring system, parking assist / autonomous parking etc. It also includes a lane changing assist that basically changes the lane safely for you when you indicate a wish to change lane. I don't know if this feature is only available on some, marked / tested roads or everywhere with at least two lanes in the same direction. I have also seen indications of an automatic speed limit following system, but this is far from sure. It would be superb if there is one, and I really hope that I will still be able to compensate it to to the actual speed rather than the cars underestimated speed.

I don't know if this is linked to the navigation / guidance or how this would affect it if there is a link in between. I currently drive Kia Niro EV, and its major flaws are the missing speed limit following system (although the car known the actual limits very well) and a missing feature to guide you to the right lane well in advance of the intersection. I really hope that the HDA2 does a better job in this respect.

Tesla has indicated that the autopilot will be constantly updated and whenever the law allows it to be updated to level 3 autonomous driving system, it might be able to do it. I don't know if there are any technical obstacles in Kia's HDA2 system preventing it to be (OTA) updated to level 3 autonomous driving system later on.

 

[Robert]

A quote from Tesla Autopilot - Wikipedia:

"Tesla Autopilot is a suite of advanced driver-assistance system features offered by Tesla that amounts to Level 2 vehicle automation. Its features are lane centering, traffic-aware cruise control, self-parking, automatic lane changes, semi-autonomous navigation on limited access freeways, and the ability to summon the car from a garage or parking spot. In all of these features, the driver is responsible and the car requires constant supervision."

To my knowledge, HDA2 is - as the name suggests - also level 2 autonomous driving system with a lane-keeping assist, adaptive cruise control, blind spot monitoring system, parking assist / autonomous parking etc. It also includes a lane changing assist that basically changes the lane safely for you when you indicate a wish to change lane. I don't know if this feature is only available on some, marked / tested roads or everywhere with at least two lanes in the same direction. I have also seen indications of an automatic speed limit following system, but this is far from sure. It would be superb if there is one, and I really hope that I will still be able to compensate it to to the actual speed rather than the cars underestimated speed.

I don't know if this is linked to the navigation / guidance or how this would affect it if there is a link in between. I currently drive Kia Niro EV, and its major flaws are the missing speed limit following system (although the car known the actual limits very well) and a missing feature to guide you to the right lane well in advance of the intersection. I really hope that the HDA2 does a better job in this respect.

Tesla has indicated that the autopilot will be constantly updated and whenever the law allows it to be updated to level 3 autonomous driving system, it might be able to do it. I don't know if there are any technical obstacles in Kia's HDA2 system preventing it to be (OTA) updated to level 3 autonomous driving system later on.

In my reading on auto parking all it seems to do is allow you to park and retrieve the car from a parking space so narrow that you could not open the door. In 50 years of extensive driving around the UK and Europe i have never needed to do do this. However I have often been faced with tricky parallel parking situations with which my aged Ford Kuga manages to handle in an exemplary manner. Given all the information the EV6 has from its sensors the fact this seems not to be a feature is beyond baffling.

 

[Gallojam]

A quote from Tesla Autopilot - Wikipedia:

"Tesla Autopilot is a suite of advanced driver-assistance system features offered by Tesla that amounts to Level 2 vehicle automation. Its features are lane centering, traffic-aware cruise control, self-parking, automatic lane changes, semi-autonomous navigation on limited access freeways, and the ability to summon the car from a garage or parking spot. In all of these features, the driver is responsible and the car requires constant supervision."

To my knowledge, HDA2 is - as the name suggests - also level 2 autonomous driving system with a lane-keeping assist, adaptive cruise control, blind spot monitoring system, parking assist / autonomous parking etc. It also includes a lane changing assist that basically changes the lane safely for you when you indicate a wish to change lane. I don't know if this feature is only available on some, marked / tested roads or everywhere with at least two lanes in the same direction. I have also seen indications of an automatic speed limit following system, but this is far from sure. It would be superb if there is one, and I really hope that I will still be able to compensate it to to the actual speed rather than the cars underestimated speed.

I don't know if this is linked to the navigation / guidance or how this would affect it if there is a link in between. I currently drive Kia Niro EV, and its major flaws are the missing speed limit following system (although the car known the actual limits very well) and a missing feature to guide you to the right lane well in advance of the intersection. I really hope that the HDA2 does a better job in this respect.

Tesla has indicated that the autopilot will be constantly updated and whenever the law allows it to be updated to level 3 autonomous driving system, it might be able to do it. I don't know if there are any technical obstacles in Kia's HDA2 system preventing it to be (OTA) updated to level 3 autonomous driving system later on.

Thank you very much for your reply! That is really helpful.

Let's hope the EV6 has improved auto-driving functions compared to the e-Niro.

 

[Relaxation82]

In my reading on auto parking all it seems to do is allow you to park and retrieve the car from a parking space so narrow that you could not open the door. In 50 years of extensive driving around the UK and Europe i have never needed to do do this. However I have often been faced with tricky parallel parking situations with which my aged Ford Kuga manages to handle in an exemplary manner. Given all the information the EV6 has from its sensors the fact this seems not to be a feature is beyond baffling.

I have seen a video where EV6 assists in parallel parking as well. Sorry, can't remember which one.

 

[TT97]

"Tesla Autopilot is a suite of advanced driver-assistance system features offered by Tesla that amounts to Level 2 vehicle automation. Its features are lane centering, traffic-aware cruise control, self-parking, automatic lane changes, semi-autonomous navigation on limited access freeways, and the ability to summon the car from a garage or parking spot. In all of these features, the driver is responsible and the car requires constant supervision."

One thing to note: "self-parking, automatic lane changes, semi-autonomous navigation on limited access freeways, and the ability to summon the car from a garage or parking spot" are all part of "Full Self Driving" which is an extra $10k (with rumors that will be $14k soon). The "semi-autonomous navigation on limited access freeways" is "coming soon" so anyone's guess when that will happen. Lane centering and traffic-aware cruise control are part of basic Autopilot which are included in all their vehicles.

 

[Robert]

I have seen a video where EV6 assists in parallel parking as well. Sorry, can't remember which one.

I do so hope it does, but I can not find anything in the published literature.

 

[Relaxation82]

I do so hope it does, but I can not find anything in the published literature.

Sorry, I must correct that I have seen many Youtube videos where Ioniq 5 assists in parallel parking. I would say that this increases the possibility that EV6 also contains this feature which I also see a lot more relevant thing as compared to that parking slot so tight that you wouldn't fit in/out. I would never put my car there, as it is a proper way to get nasty scratches to your car and/or to get thrashed.

 

[Robert]

Sorry, I must correct that I have seen many Youtube videos where Ioniq 5 assists in parallel parking. I would say that this increases the possibility that EV6 also contains this feature which I also see a lot more relevant thing as compared to that parking slot so tight that you wouldn't fit in/out. I would never put my car there, as it is a proper way to get nasty scratches to your car and/or to get thrashed.

I agree it is more relevant and hope that it is part of the EV6 package.

 

[Robert]

Sorry, I must correct that I have seen many Youtube videos where Ioniq 5 assists in parallel parking. I would say that this increases the possibility that EV6 also contains this feature which I also see a lot more relevant thing as compared to that parking slot so tight that you wouldn't fit in/out. I would never put my car there, as it is a proper way to get nasty scratches to your car and/or to get thrashed.

Apparently some Kia vehicles do have this feature which they call Smart Parking Assist System (SPAS). The closest thing I can find in the EV6 specifications is Remote Smart Park Assist (RSPA). This quite clearly does not provide a parallel parking system. So I must conclude that as of the date of the specification list it is not planned to equip the EV6 with this feature. Surprising? Yes because it must only be a software issue as all the hardware features to implement seem to be there.

 

[Robert]

Apparently some Kia vehicles do have this feature which they call Smart Parking Assist System (SPAS). The closest thing I can find in the EV6 specifications is Remote Smart Park Assist (RSPA). This quite clearly does not provide a parallel parking system. So I must conclude that as of the date of the specification list it is not planned to equip the EV6 with this feature. Surprising? Yes because it must only be a software issue as all the hardware features to implement seem to be there.

In Kia's "Drive Wise" programme there is also this as a future development:
Parking Assist

• 
  Parking Assist-Perpendicular Reverse (PA-PDR)
  * Parking Assist-Parallel (PA-PRL): PA-PRL utilizes a network utilizes ultra sonic sensors to monitor the surrounding environment and, enabling the car to park itself in parallel or perpendicular spaces with minimal driver input. Whilst performing the maneuver, any potential hazards, such as pedestrians or other cars hidden in the driver’s blind spot, are detected and accounted for.
  
  * Parking Distance Warning-Forward (PDW-F): This system uses ultrasonic sensors mounted on the front and rear bumpers to warn of any obstacles when maneuvering into tight spaces for safe and confident parking.

 

[Relaxation82]

 

[Robert]

But not on the EV6 specification list...

 

[Stimpy]

EV6 has a parking assist (atleast, the GT-Line version)

 

[Relaxation82]

EV6 has a parking assist (atleast, the GT-Line version)

Thank you for the informative video. Somehow I have been able to miss it. I'd say that this pretty much guarantees that this feature is also available in parallel parking.

 

[Stimpy]

Thank you for the informative video. Somehow I have been able to miss it. I'd say that this pretty much guarantees that this feature is also available in parallel parking.

Yes, I think it will because it's almost the same car (atleast like software and features) als the Ioniq 5

 

[Relaxation82]

Yes, I think it will because it's almost the same car (atleast like software and features) als the Ioniq 5

Indeed it is. At least the infotainment systems of Niro EV and Kona EV use the very same software. I see no reason to change this in the future, as it is a big advantage to save resources and code lines in such an important piece of EVs. Somehow the remote control functions still seem to follow different brand names and at least seemingly use different applications, which seems kind of stupid.

 

[Robert]

Thank you for the informative video. Somehow I have been able to miss it. I'd say that this pretty much guarantees that this feature is also available in parallel parking.

If you read the Kia website on what constitutes "parking assist" it does not mention parallel parking whereas with SPAS and PA-PDR it does, and neither of those features are on the current specification list, where as Assisted Parking (reversing into a gap only) is.

 

[Stimpy]

If you read the Kia website on what constitutes "parking assist" it does not mention parallel parking whereas with SPAS and PA-PDR it does, and neither of those features are on the current specification list, where as Assisted Parking (reversing into a gap only) is.

Yes, I can't find it either that you can do parallel parking.
But most cars do only parallel parking instead of 'gap parking'.
So I would think, if they can do gap they can probably also park parallel.

But for me parking assist is not a deal breaker.
I have it now also on my car (mercedes C) and never use it.

I'm more interested in the HDA2.
My mercedes is doing this pretty well (lane assist and adaptive cruise).
So hope that the EV6 will do this the same (or better).