[KiaevCan]

Seem US owners are seeing their Kia Connect app show features of it now, this is for 2022 cars. Also I chatted with my Kia dealer a while back about this battery-pre heating from NAV story and they said it is possible but only for cars with heat pumps. All the pre-conditioning update rumours are rumours for now of course. No details exist that I know of. I was also told, this update might not be in the '23 model. But the heat-pump versions are more likely to get that possible update applied. rumours rumours rumours by dealers. I would wait to get an official update.

Using Car Scanner with OBD dongle you can clearly see a battery heater readout and that does seem to improve battery temperature. Just needs hooked up to the NAV system now

US app photo below.

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I have a similar "battery pre-conditioning: Off" line in the Canadian app.

I think this is the Winter Mode, not the battery pre-conditioning that we're all thinking of.

 

[monkhai]

It would be criminal to add that feature to MY23 onwards and leave early buyers with a headline speed that just isn't achievable for most of the year (or even all of it).

Certainly if that is what happens this would be a first and last car from the Hyundai group and I'll be heading back to the Germans pronto.

 

[Logicpro8]

Did the hyundai exec not say it was coming to Ioniq 5 FY2022 models. can't see Kia leaving the FY2022 models out.

 

[monkhai]

I have not seen it said, but Kia via a Kia product specialist, via the dealer said it wasn't even though the car has a heater and a heat pump.

I wish they would just clarify things as the rumour here and there are pretty poor.

 

[Nick57]

KIA seems to be going the legacy auto routine of engineered in obsolescence and new bells and whistles only with the next years model...........I hope this fails and Tesla wins.

 

[monkhai]

KIA seems to be going the legacy auto routine of engineered in obsolescence and new bells and whistles only with the next years model...........I hope this fails and Tesla wins.

That only works for one sale, then the customer won't come back.

 

[kurt.mccann]

I heard you just put it into sport mode for 10 minutes before you use the charger and it does the same thing.

 

[monkhai]

I don’t think the battery use/charge generates enough heat for ambient temperature around 0C / 32F to allow rapid charging.

Just look at the speeds from the ioniq5 without a battery heater. Of course it’d be lovely if what you suggest worked.

 

[alexw]

I don’t think the battery use/charge generates enough heat for ambient temperature around 0C / 32F to allow rapid charging.

Just look at the speeds from the ioniq5 without a battery heater. Of course it’d be lovely if what you suggest worked.

I think the suggestion is that cooling the motors would heat the battery since they're on the same loop, but there's no reason to assume that'd be the case anyway without the system being explicitly designed for such heat scavenging.

 

[GT-driver]

Found this on Reddit. There will be some other improvements concerning seats and cabin noise too.

 

[monkhai]

Sadly that says it’s coming in MY23, not that it’s coming to MY22

 

[Relaxation82]

Sadly that says it’s coming in MY23, not that it’s coming to MY22

I'm quoting further discussion found in

https://www.reddit.com/r/KiaEV6/comments/v2aju9
here:

User "TJpRot" asks:

"Thanks for this. Do you have any info if the preconditioning update is coming also to MY22 cars? Because that will be shitty if it's only in the new model year."

and user "YellowJuicyFruit" (the same person who started the thread) answers:

"Yes, according to the same Source (KIA insider) the Update which was originally promised for Q1/2022 is also coming in Fall 2022 for "old" MY22 cars"

This doesn't change the overall situation where the lack of reliable information fills the air with rumours, rumours, and rumours spiced with speculation, speculation, and speculation.

Personally, my situation is that I preordered my car (Yacht Blue GTLS AWD with a heat pump) on the 7th of May 2021 here in Finland. After listening total radio silence for over a year, my dealer confirmed on 17th of June 2022 that the car was finally ready and has been shipped and should arrive (to Finland) on third of August 2022. If the mentioned MY22, MY23 shift month (July 2022) is correct, this inevitably makes my car one of the very last MY22 models that was ever produced. Based on the VIN code I got, the car is likely to be MY22 even though the online Kia VIN decoder I found didn't seem as the most reliable source of information. Don't know if I should laugh or cry, as I would happily waited one further month to get MY23.

As I am basically sick of all these rumours (no offence), here is one fact:

If it turns out that my MY22 won't have battery preheating for fast charging, this will be the last Kia I ever buy. I'm sure that this kind of major "Fuck You" from Kia which reduces the resale value of every single MY22 with thousands of Euros (or UK Pounds & US Dollars as well) makes me a member of a very large group of camp shifters. That's the kind of "Fuck You Back" Kia will deserve at that point. Still, I would be fine with a solution where the preheating would have to be manually activated or even with a modestly priced solution where Kia offers a retrofit with a battery heater that won't need a plugged charger to activate it.

 

[jtespi]

Still, I would be fine with a solution where the preheating would have to be manually activated or even with a modestly priced solution where Kia offers a retrofit with a battery heater that won't need a plugged charger to activate it.

Don't all EV6s have a battery heater already? Even though, as you said, it's only active when plugged into a charger.
Kia would only need to do a firmware update (not an OTA software update since it interfaces with the BMS) to enable battery preconditioning manually. I don't think your car would need extra physical equipment installed, just a firmware change.

 

[monkhai]

If they can give me a button on the screen that says preheat for 10/15 minutes, then I'd be golden.
If they can get it to integrate with the NAV then that's good too.

Assuming they can add recommended chargers into the route planning (when you don't have the range), then preheating in NAV with an option to do it manually would be perfect.

All Kia need to do is say yes or no.
The longer they stay quiet, the more I think it isn't coming and they just want to shift the MY22 cars before people decide to walk away due to a lack of a key feature.

 

[jliemburgpeeze]

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[jtespi]

If they can give me a button on the screen that says preheat for 10/15 minutes, then I'd be golden.
If they can get it to integrate with the NAV then that's good too.

I'd much rather prefer the manual option for preheating. I feel that it would be less cumbersome than having to navigate to a charger every time.

Honestly, I wouldn't ever use the built in nav and I don't understand why so many do. Android Auto/Apple CarPlay is far superior and there's many choices of mapping apps you can use. Also, the in car nav system will never be up to date on all charger locations, so manual preheat is better.

 

[monkhai]

Because built in NAV works when there is no phone signal where you are/along the route.

The best solution would be both automatically through the built in nav or manually via a button to poke.

I wonder if one of the Bluetooth OBD readers could be used to toggle the heater with an app that targets min temp >20 degrees max temp ideally <25 but turn off it it goes higher than a safe value.

 

[Relaxation82]

Don't all EV6s have a battery heater already? Even though, as you said, it's only active when plugged into a charger.
Kia would only need to do a firmware update (not an OTA software update since it interfaces with the BMS) to enable battery preconditioning manually. I don't think your car would need extra physical equipment installed, just a firmware change.

I'm not sure, but it could be so that only those cars equipped with a heat pump have a battery heater. This is definitely not so, if all cars have that "winter mode" selection available. It currently doesn't do too much, as it apparently only keeps the battery temperature above freezing point.

I really don't see why it would be impossible to programmatically implement high voltage battery preheating to all existing vehicles equipped with a battery heater. And if so, there are very few reasons to exclude MY22 users away from that heaven as it really doesn't hurt any MY23 owner if MY22's have it as well.

 

[Relaxation82]

If they can give me a button on the screen that says preheat for 10/15 minutes, then I'd be golden.
If they can get it to integrate with the NAV then that's good too.

Assuming they can add recommended chargers into the route planning (when you don't have the range), then preheating in NAV with an option to do it manually would be perfect.

All Kia need to do is say yes or no.
The longer they stay quiet, the more I think it isn't coming and they just want to shift the MY22 cars before people decide to walk away due to a lack of a key feature.

I believe that the overall plan is to start using TomTom maps and navigation in favour of Here maps it currently uses. That way, the car would do a much better job in estimating how much juice each leg will consume, and come up with decent estimate how much of the juice is left at each point so that they can let TomTom build a decent charging schedule for longer journeys.

It's really sad that Kia rarely says anything at all. It will most likely be total radio silence once again until that magic point next fall when they'll start delivering the new software to selected cars. I'll be damned if they are stupid enough to deliberately rule out MY22 users from those updates.

 

[Relaxation82]

I'd much rather prefer the manual option for preheating. I feel that it would be less cumbersome than having to navigate to a charger every time.

Honestly, I wouldn't ever use the built in nav and I don't understand why so many do. Android Auto/Apple CarPlay is far superior and there's many choices of mapping apps you can use. Also, the in car nav system will never be up to date on all charger locations, so manual preheat is better.

While many users would prefer a manual operation for battery preheating, it seems to be hard for the manufacturers to implement that. Perhaps they are afraid that people start using preheating to get better performance when boosting their ego with their cars. The unnecessary use of battery heating would most likely cause issues with battery warranty in the long run.

I know one reason why I still prefer the built-in navigation over Android Auto / Apple CarPlay. I't the HUD and that you will lose those lovely and really handy directions in the HUD if you start using external navigation. Of course, it would be optimal to have a way to pass external routing into HUD so that people could freely opt for the navigation system they love the most. In that scenario, I'd instantly dump the built-in navigation over Google Maps with satellite images as the background. Sadly though, Google Maps doesn't know anything about charging stations, so you'd have to first use ABRP to get a good charging plan, and then manually add that to Google Maps.