[jongodfrey]

For me this is great news. Combined with 800v ultra-rapid charging I think this will be a tipping point for many drivers. Obviously this depends on the charging infrastructure catching up.

Here are some rough numbers for my use case on the AWD:

314 miles from 100% to Zero. Most of the time I will be driving between 10% and 80% but with 100% when charging from home before long journeys.

31.4 @ 10% and 251.2 @ 80% so between the two I'll be using 220 miles day to day. So that's 3 hours of motorway/freeway driving which is way more than I would do comfortably. If I'd charged all the way to 100% it would be 283 miles or 4 hours on the initial leg.

That's more than enough for me.

I've also been timing my service station stops and they are always more then 30 mins. So assuming (in the UK) GridServe or Electrify America (USA) deliver their promises I think I will be spending less time waiting for fuel then I would with a ICE vehicle.

 

[yorkieboy]

Thanks as always Jon. Interesting feature in the Sunday Times today about electric cars. One person was recounting the all too familiar experience of arriving at a charge point only to find the chargers not working. I am really hoping Gridserve/BP/Shell etc. do sort this out, because as you rightly say, if they do then EV6/Ioniq 5 owners will be in and out in no time. The other point they raised was that the majority of chargers are uncovered, so if it is raining then it can be a miserable experience hooking up and charging. Thankfully this is also changing.

The other interesting piece of news I read today is that insurance premiums for electric vehicles are for the first time lower than for ICE vehicles. Seemingly because it is older more careful drivers that buy electric vehicles. A few of us certainly fall into the 'older' category!

 

[jongodfrey]

I think Gridserve's Electric Forecourt has set the design benchmark for others to follow. I think their combination of renewables and the use of batteries will have woken a few up. Most importantly they are very well funded.

The oil industry has absolutely no choice than to change or die. I have mixed feelings about Shell and BP as they have both spent millions working against renewables but now they know they have lost. They are even using wind now to power drilling stations in Texas... why? Because it's cheaper.

But all the existing providers will start to sell electrons sooner or later. There will be plenty of consolidation too. There is a problem with new cars and charging systems and as early adopters of the EV6 we might experience this. In the Gridserve blog they explain that they just don't get to test the cars sufficiently before they are released. Car OEM's need to address this. The car has to talk to the charger to tell it what it wants and if this fails the car won't charge. We will see but hopefully Kia and Hyundai will have dealt with this issue but we might have some bumps.

To be fair, filling up is miserable, dirty and smelly. At least with an EV you can wait inside the car or in the cafe. I agree chargers without cover is crazy in the UK.

Good news about insurance. Parts prices will be high at first but the tech to avoid accidents is also going to help I hope. That and the older and wiser factor 😂🤣😇

 

[madmike]

Does anyone have an estimate for what this will translate to for the EPA range? 300 seems reasonable and would be awesome

 

[KiaevCan]

Does anyone have an estimate for what this will translate to for the EPA range? 300 seems reasonable and would be awesome

I suspect 300 miles (480km) for RWD LR is a reasonable guess (and that's what Kia USA is targeting). Kia Canada is hoping for more as "500" is a nice round number compared to 480. AWD is likely less (450km or 280 miles) is my educated guess. That is still ahead of the ID.4 and on par with the Mach-E without having to be a special trim level (e.g. California Route 1).

The reason for my smaller AWD hit is that the EV6 AWD can run in RWD mode (in Eco Mode) like the Ioniq5 by disconnecting the front motor. The front motor doesn't weigh too much so essentially if you're in Eco Mode, you're running the vehicle in RWD mode like the RWD models.

My guess is normal mode is "RWD mostly with AWD helping at initial acceleration and on-demand after that) and Sport is "permanent" AWD (maybe like a 10:90 split going to 30:70 if needed)

 

[Waynerm002]

I'm looking forward to the day when you can get 500 miles from a full charge. Means I can drive the snot out of the vehicle and still have range to spare.

 

[Mylor]

For me this is great news. Combined with 800v ultra-rapid charging I think this will be a tipping point for many drivers. Obviously this depends on the charging infrastructure catching up.

Here are some rough numbers for my use case on the AWD:

314 miles from 100% to Zero. Most of the time I will be driving between 10% and 80% but with 100% when charging from home before long journeys.

31.4 @ 10% and 251.2 @ 80% so between the two I'll be using 220 miles day to day. So that's 3 hours of motorway/freeway driving which is way more than I would do comfortably. If I'd charged all the way to 100% it would be 283 miles or 4 hours on the initial leg.

That's more than enough for me.

I've also been timing my service station stops and they are always more then 30 mins. So assuming (in the UK) GridServe or Electrify America (USA) deliver their promises I think I will be spending less time waiting for fuel then I would with a ICE vehicle.

From the Hyundai Ionic 5 charging figures from Fastned, the charging rate drops down from the max 235Kw and stays well above 100kw until 85% charge. This means you can charge another 5% without any significant time penalty.

 

[Waynerm002]

Charging speed does drop as you get closer to the max of the battery. it is recommended you avoid going 100% in most cases to prolong the life of the battery. Sticking to 80% is what many manufacturers recommend. That last 20% in some vehicles can take a long time to complete. In normal use, a number of factors can affect charge time., air temp, battery temp, charging unit temp, etc.. I ran my e tron down to 4 miles of range and it took 45 minutes to get to 100%, that was my first road trip a week after getting the vehicle. Charge rate from 10 to 80% is 30 minutes, I was able to plug into a 350 kW, watch the speed ramp up from 75 to 150 kW after 10% to 80 then it slowed down to around 40 kW when it completed at 100%. After learning more about battery health, I charge to about 90% for long trips or 5% more that what is recommended by A Better Route Planner App, to give myself a buffer to reach the next charge point, in case I put my foot in it for a bit of fun.

Here in the US, ElectrifyAmerica is building out the nationwide network and their charge points for long distance travel and on a recent trip to a from California, the charge points were about 120 miles apart and I would end up with about 28 - 32% charge remaining when I arrived. I did have a bit of a hiccup as it was 117+ outside and the 150 kW charge units were not going above 43 kW, the 350 units got up to 120 kW and took a bit longer to complete the charge. These places had no canopy to shield the units or people from the heat. A big oversight in my opinion, especially in a state where the temps can soar that high in summer. The gas stations close by had one. In some places, I noticed large storage units that turns out to hold batteries. They charge those overnight when rates are low and can employ them during high peak times to reduce their cost. Most states the charge is 43 cents per kWh and if you pay a $4 monthly subscription, it drops it to 31 cents, some places are higher, this vary by state here.

While I prefer sporty driving, I would probably go for the GT Line instead of the GT to have more options and better range. We will have to wait and see how they price things here. I saw a review of the IONIQ 5 for the US yesterday and it seems like they will offer both batteries and do the same trim levels (SE, SEL and Limited) on both. I'm hoping they don't screw us and give us less sound deadening on these cars, like they do with their ICE vehicles in the past.

 

[Mylor]

Charging speed does drop as you get closer to the max of the battery. it is recommended you avoid going 100% in most cases to prolong the life of the battery. Sticking to 80% is what many manufacturers recommend. That last 20% in some vehicles can take a long time to complete. In normal use, a number of factors can affect charge time., air temp, battery temp, charging unit temp, etc.. I ran my e tron down to 4 miles of range and it took 45 minutes to get to 100%, that was my first road trip a week after getting the vehicle. Charge rate from 10 to 80% is 30 minutes, I was able to plug into a 350 kW, watch the speed ramp up from 75 to 150 kW after 10% to 80 then it slowed down to around 40 kW when it completed at 100%. After learning more about battery health, I charge to about 90% for long trips or 5% more that what is recommended by A Better Route Planner App, to give myself a buffer to reach the next charge point, in case I put my foot in it for a bit of fun.

Here in the US, ElectrifyAmerica is building out the nationwide network and their charge points for long distance travel and on a recent trip to a from California, the charge points were about 120 miles apart and I would end up with about 28 - 32% charge remaining when I arrived. I did have a bit of a hiccup as it was 117+ outside and the 150 kW charge units were not going above 43 kW, the 350 units got up to 120 kW and took a bit longer to complete the charge. These places had no canopy to shield the units or people from the heat. A big oversight in my opinion, especially in a state where the temps can soar that high in summer. The gas stations close by had one. In some places, I noticed large storage units that turns out to hold batteries. They charge those overnight when rates are low and can employ them during high peak times to reduce their cost. Most states the charge is 43 cents per kWh and if you pay a $4 monthly subscription, it drops it to 31 cents, some places are higher, this vary by state here.

While I prefer sporty driving, I would probably go for the GT Line instead of the GT to have more options and better range. We will have to wait and see how they price things here. I saw a review of the IONIQ 5 for the US yesterday and it seems like they will offer both batteries and do the same trim levels (SE, SEL and Limited) on both. I'm hoping they don't screw us and give us less sound deadening on these cars, like they do with their ICE vehicles in the past.

In the UK Grdserve has taken over ecotricity and all motorway service areas will be upgraded this year. The norm will be 120/150 Kw charge stations and extra charge stations will be added. In addition, Tesla are opening their superchargers for all to use which are 250Kw +. The EV6 and ioniq 5 charge at 230 and 250 Kw max respectively but form Fastnet trials the Ioniq shows it drops from 235 to 120Kw as it approaches 85% and then drops off. It all looks good?

 

[Robert]

In the UK Grdserve has taken over ecotricity and all motorway service areas will be upgraded this year. The norm will be 120/150 Kw charge stations and extra charge stations will be added. In addition, Tesla are opening their superchargers for all to use which are 250Kw +. The EV6 and ioniq 5 charge at 230 and 250 Kw max respectively but form Fastnet trials the Ioniq shows it drops from 235 to 120Kw as it approaches 85% and then drops off. It all looks good?

Could be why Kia always seem to emphasise the time it takes to charge to 80%...

 

[Waynerm002]

Yep, from what I have seen from my personal experience and on forums, it is slow to charge for the first 10% and from 80-100%. Seems they don't want you to go below 10 percent, if it can be avoided and with travel apps and charge points setup so you can charge before you get there, we will be able to practice good charging habits to prolong our battery life. OEMs want to keep making newer stuff and not many are working on improving the old stuff as that can limit the sale of new vehicles. There are however, people that are reconditioning batteries (Nissan Leaf that I heard of, so far) and trading out your old one can get you one with better range than when new. For folks that like to keep a car long term, this could make for a good thing as the industry opens up more to allow others to work on improving old tech at a much lower cost than OEM.