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Ah thanks, man...that was a lot of scrolling down!

Okay, so yeah, the I5 is indeed over £3k cheaper but with some minor differences. That is a shame but I think that is more that Hyundai could probably charge more than Kia being overpriced.
correct me if I am wrong but for the list that yorkieboy listed (y) the optional items for the Ultimate are stand on the GT line S with the exception of the heat pump?
 

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That is correct SheffEV. Not sure why Hyundai have taken this approach with their so called Ultimate version. Was the same with the Audi. Started at £44k but when I added on all the features the EV6 GT-Line S had it came out at £62k, and still without V2L, 800V architecture and zero gravity seats!
 

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That is correct SheffEV. Not sure why Hyundai have taken this approach with their so called Ultimate version. Was the same with the Audi. Started at £44k but when I added on all the features the EV6 GT-Line S had it came out at £62k, and still without V2L, 800V architecture and zero gravity seats!
Ouch, talk about price gouging, that is painful. Re Ioniq 5 paint is extra :ROFLMAO:, as you may have gathered I haven’t looked at the car as it isn’t on the radar as far as we are concerned. That is a very weird pricing structure, Ultimate without being Ultimate.
 

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The configurator is very confusing as it does not appear to allow you to add on any extras, but the specification list clearly states that certain items are optional extras for the Ultimate Trim. You might have to ping Hyundai an e-mail.
 

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Thanks. I'm not that worried. It's not as if I can use it as a bargaining tool for a price reduction considering how oversubscribed the EV6 is. I'm okay with the price, just wanted clarity that there is pricing parity between the sister companies and spec.

Yet again I say ordering online really shouldn't be so confusing!
 

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My previous post last night keeps saying "Awaiting approval from Moderator" so I've copied and pasted it again here. Sorry if this means you end up with a double post!;

OK, so just back from the Tates Pyecombe EV6 "Reveal" just outside Brighton.

Not sure I have anything to add to what the helpful people have posted before but here goes;

POSITIVES

1. I LOVE the look of this car - I liked the Mach-E but this really seems a step up. The car I saw was a EV6 GT-Line in Steel Matte Grey. I've ordered a GT-Line S in Steel Matte Grey and I've read all of the posts about the paintwork - but boy, this is a lovely looking car! I've also read about how people don't like the rear aspect of the EV6, but I loved it. The "haunches" really reminded me of the Mach-E - it's a powerful-looking car!

2. Build quality was MUCH better than in the Mach-E that I drove - really noticeably so. Now that was an entry-level Mach-E and this is one step up from the entry level - but it was a whole different experience being in the car. It was LOVELY! It felt "Premium" which the entry-level Mach-E really didn't. I couldn't get the "floating' centre console to wobble - everything seemed well screwed down and the materials felt really good - soft where they should be and hard everywhere else.

3. The car feels very driver-centric from the driving seat - and I don't care as I'll be the one driving it - BUT my 19 yr old daughter came with me and said she didn't get that felling when she was in the passenger seat - though please note that we weren't driving it.

4. Comfy seats front and back. I agree with the previous comments about the floor being high in the rear - but that didn't stop me feeling like the rear was also a nice place to be and the flat floor helped that feeling. The lack of under-thigh support didn't feel like it would be an issue - but I wasn't sitting there for 2 hours on bumpy roads! The front seats were MUCH nicer than the entry-level Mach-E - a really noticeably difference though this EV6 was not the entry level one.

5. The two cockpit screens were clear and responsive, though what you could view on them was a little bit limited as the car wasn't "switched on"! I wanted to view the camera views but nobody seemed to know how to put that on. Still I liked what I saw - especially the 2-function setup for radio and climate control - easy to reach though not sure if it would be quite that easy on the motorway!

6. Steering wheel was great and in my seating position (I'm 6 ft) the 2 screens were easily visible. Switches and paddles on the steering wheel seemed really "premium"- nothing that felt cheap and plasticky.

7. It didn't feel dark in the car like I have heard some report. We were right next to a bright showroom window and that might have helped, but it really didn't seem dark at all. I'm getting the GT-Line S which comes with a sunroof, but I'm not sure that is essential after today's sit-in.

8. I had really NOT been a fan of the 2-tone white and black seats (who on earth thought that was a good idea!), but they didn't seem nearly as harshly coloured in reality as I had feared.

NEGATIVES

1. I didn't test drive it and so all my opinions about it are limited by merely being able to sit in a pre-production model.

2. I really couldn't test out the screens as I would have liked to - it kept telling me I couldn't do what I wanted to do because the car wasn't "switched on".

3. The boot really is as small as people say. The rear seating area is cavernous, so with the rear seats DOWN the boot space is HUGE - but with the seats up the space is really deceptively small - smaller than you would guess from the outside. I REALLY liked the catches that throw the rear seats down from the boot side - it's not something I've had before and I can see how useful that will be.

4. This car is WIDE - or at least it looks MASSIVELY WIDE from the outside. My daughter said that my Kia Ceed felt the same width when she was sitting in it driving home - but hell yes, did it feel wide when looking from the front. I will be clenching tightly when driving this through narrow gaps!

5. The Frunk of the AWD model is tiny - just space for cables - nothing more.

6. It's not really a negative - more a frustration at not being able to drive the car. The presenter who introduced the car talked about the parking and un-parking that you could do through the key fob - the EV6 will drive itself into and out of tight parking spaces for you - but there was no key fob to look at and no way to see if this actually worked or not (I'm looking at you Mach-E!)

OVERALL

I was disappointed when I test-drove the entry-level Mach-E. I had ordered a top of the range Mach-E and the entry-level one I was given to test drive really felt cheap and plasticky. This wasn't the entry-level EV6 but it was only one step up and it felt PREMIUM - the driver's seat was a VERY nice place to be. It feels like a BIG car from the outside but doesn't feel crazy big when you're in it - just spacious. The boot feels deceptively small just from looking at it - though I haven't loaded it up yet.

I asked about when we could test drive it and when it might be delivered - test drive in September and delivery in October was what I was told.

I asked if it had a built-in tracker in case it got stolen and the dealer didn't think it did - but he'll check and get back to me.

I asked if it had built-in dash-cam like the Tesla and the dealer didn't think it did - but he'll check and get back to me.

That's about it. Here are some photos but you've already seen most of this stuff!

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Thank you Bill, lovely bit of feedback. It’s great we have this as everyone has different viewpoints according to needs wants desires. An observation by one may not of occurred to another which can have a positive impact on the opinions.

One thing that has struck me is the open aspect of the “engine” bay. This gives easier access to one point that has troubled a number of new EV cars namely the 12v battery . The dead 12v syndrome has caused a number of issues, at least with this design your not going to have to strip out layers of plastic shielding to get access. Looking at you Polestar, Ford :rolleyes:
 

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My previous post last night keeps saying "Awaiting approval from Moderator" so I've copied and pasted it again here. Sorry if this means you end up with a double post!;

OK, so just back from the Tates Pyecombe EV6 "Reveal" just outside Brighton.

Not sure I have anything to add to what the helpful people have posted before but here goes;

POSITIVES

1. I LOVE the look of this car - I liked the Mach-E but this really seems a step up. The car I saw was a EV6 GT-Line in Steel Matte Grey. I've ordered a GT-Line S in Steel Matte Grey and I've read all of the posts about the paintwork - but boy, this is a lovely looking car! I've also read about how people don't like the rear aspect of the EV6, but I loved it. The "haunches" really reminded me of the Mach-E - it's a powerful-looking car!

2. Build quality was MUCH better than in the Mach-E that I drove - really noticeably so. Now that was an entry-level Mach-E and this is one step up from the entry level - but it was a whole different experience being in the car. It was LOVELY! It felt "Premium" which the entry-level Mach-E really didn't. I couldn't get the "floating' centre console to wobble - everything seemed well screwed down and the materials felt really good - soft where they should be and hard everywhere else.

3. The car feels very driver-centric from the driving seat - and I don't care as I'll be the one driving it - BUT my 19 yr old daughter came with me and said she didn't get that felling when she was in the passenger seat - though please note that we weren't driving it.

4. Comfy seats front and back. I agree with the previous comments about the floor being high in the rear - but that didn't stop me feeling like the rear was also a nice place to be and the flat floor helped that feeling. The lack of under-thigh support didn't feel like it would be an issue - but I wasn't sitting there for 2 hours on bumpy roads! The front seats were MUCH nicer than the entry-level Mach-E - a really noticeably difference though this EV6 was not the entry level one.

5. The two cockpit screens were clear and responsive, though what you could view on them was a little bit limited as the car wasn't "switched on"! I wanted to view the camera views but nobody seemed to know how to put that on. Still I liked what I saw - especially the 2-function setup for radio and climate control - easy to reach though not sure if it would be quite that easy on the motorway!

6. Steering wheel was great and in my seating position (I'm 6 ft) the 2 screens were easily visible. Switches and paddles on the steering wheel seemed really "premium"- nothing that felt cheap and plasticky.

7. It didn't feel dark in the car like I have heard some report. We were right next to a bright showroom window and that might have helped, but it really didn't seem dark at all. I'm getting the GT-Line S which comes with a sunroof, but I'm not sure that is essential after today's sit-in.

8. I had really NOT been a fan of the 2-tone white and black seats (who on earth thought that was a good idea!), but they didn't seem nearly as harshly coloured in reality as I had feared.

NEGATIVES

1. I didn't test drive it and so all my opinions about it are limited by merely being able to sit in a pre-production model.

2. I really couldn't test out the screens as I would have liked to - it kept telling me I couldn't do what I wanted to do because the car wasn't "switched on".

3. The boot really is as small as people say. The rear seating area is cavernous, so with the rear seats DOWN the boot space is HUGE - but with the seats up the space is really deceptively small - smaller than you would guess from the outside. I REALLY liked the catches that throw the rear seats down from the boot side - it's not something I've had before and I can see how useful that will be.

4. This car is WIDE - or at least it looks MASSIVELY WIDE from the outside. My daughter said that my Kia Ceed felt the same width when she was sitting in it driving home - but hell yes, did it feel wide when looking from the front. I will be clenching tightly when driving this through narrow gaps!

5. The Frunk of the AWD model is tiny - just space for cables - nothing more.

6. It's not really a negative - more a frustration at not being able to drive the car. The presenter who introduced the car talked about the parking and un-parking that you could do through the key fob - the EV6 will drive itself into and out of tight parking spaces for you - but there was no key fob to look at and no way to see if this actually worked or not (I'm looking at you Mach-E!)

OVERALL

I was disappointed when I test-drove the entry-level Mach-E. I had ordered a top of the range Mach-E and the entry-level one I was given to test drive really felt cheap and plasticky. This wasn't the entry-level EV6 but it was only one step up and it felt PREMIUM - the driver's seat was a VERY nice place to be. It feels like a BIG car from the outside but doesn't feel crazy big when you're in it - just spacious. The boot feels deceptively small just from looking at it - though I haven't loaded it up yet.

I asked about when we could test drive it and when it might be delivered - test drive in September and delivery in October was what I was told.

I asked if it had a built-in tracker in case it got stolen and the dealer didn't think it did - but he'll check and get back to me.

I asked if it had built-in dash-cam like the Tesla and the dealer didn't think it did - but he'll check and get back to me.

That's about it. Here are some photos but you've already seen most of this stuff!

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excellent review Bill. A agreed with all of that.

I think the darkness was due to black headlining. Most cats I've had are off white. Sunroof will make it seem very airy.
I must admit if I could keep my place in the queue I'd now order the grey and put up with the issues. It's fabulous.
 

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I have been considering a ceramic coating. Kia GWR offer the Autoglym Lifeshine but I do wonder if it is better getting a specialist company to prepare the car and apply a ceramic coating. I would appreciate thoughts from anyone who has knowledge of such things.
 

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If you've never done a car I wouldn't recommend starting on this one. I've done four now and I'm in two minds. Think meticulous preparation and then great care. It's a whole day, ideally not in direct sunlight. That's said it's very rewarding.

I've always used gtechniq by the way. Great stuff.
 

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Absolutely agree. Would not attempt it myself. I just have to decide whether to go with the dealer option or take it to an independent company.
Check to see that going to a third party does not invalidate Kia's paint warranty.
 

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Oh! I've never used the dealer. Independent I would suggest. In fact most detailers ask the dealer to not even wash the car. Poor washing leaves permanent flaws although I'm not THAT fussy. It's just a car.

Dealers bring in mobile sub contractors and it's just adding a middleman and they make very good margin. Dealers hate it but the results are better.
 

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Check to see that going to a third party does not invalidate Kia's paint warranty.
No it really can't. You're adding a known chemical seal to the paint. If they say that they are deceiving you.

you're not removing anything. They should want you to do it as it significantly reduces their warranty risk.
 

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Thanks for your response. Interestingly my dealer mentioned some additional protection I can purchase for 3 years in which time any scratches I get on the car they will send out a repair team to deal with. This is very tempting because where I am in London the car regularly gets scratched by persons unknown. But it might be that this is invalidated if I get a 3rd party paint protection.

I think it is time for yet another email to my dealer.
 

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Here's the relevant parts from the Kia Warranty

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The paint is covered for 60 months or 100,000 miles from the date of first registration, whichever comes first. You’ll find specific exclusions to this below.

What’s not covered?
Damage due to factors beyond the manufacturer's control
Examples of this could include:

Misuse of the car such as driving over kerbs, overloading, racing, etc. You’ll find proper usage described in the owner’s manual
Events such as collision, fire, theft, riot, etc
Cars categorised as 'total loss' or 'insurance write off'
Alteration, modification, tampering, etc
Damage or surface corrosion from the environment such as acid rain, airborne fallout (chemicals, bird lime, tree sap, etc), salt, road hazards, hail, wind, storm, lightning, floods and other acts of God
Cosmetic conditions or surface corrosion from stone chips or scratches in the paint

Normal deterioration

Normal wear, tear or deterioration such as discolouration, fading or deformation
Surface corrosion on any part other than the sheet metal panels on the exterior body
Gradual wearing of mechanical components in proportion to mileage
The adjustment of doors, bonnets and tailgates is covered up to the first scheduled maintenance service.

Anti-perforation limited warranty

Kia warrants that the body sheet metal parts* of a new Kia car are free of defects in material or workmanship that lead to perforation (holes through the body panel from the inside out) as a result of corrosion – we’ve set out the exceptions to this below.
An authorised Kia dealer will either repair or replace – at no cost – any sheet metal panel* that has perforated due to corrosion resulting from defects in material or workmanship.
*Roof panel, doors, bonnet, tailgate, boot lid, sills, pillars, front wings, rear quarter panels and rear panel.

What's not covered?

Any perforation due to corrosion which is caused by industrial fallout, accident, damage, abuse, vehicle modifications or carrying damaging or corrosive cargo
Any perforation due to corrosion caused not by a defect in materials or workmanship, but by not maintaining a Kia car as set out in the owner's manual
Any perforation due to corrosion of a part of a Kia car other than a sheet metal panel of the exterior body. This specifically excludes any part of the exhaust system
Any perforation due to defects or failure resulting from the use of new parts not sold or approved by Kia, or used parts, or damage to associated systems that's caused as a result of this
Any perforation due to corrosion that's caused by misuse, abuse or improper maintenance such as a missed annual anti-perforation inspection
Any corrosion of the Kia car that doesn't result in perforation

Customer responsibilities

Customers should regularly look closely at the sheet metal panels on the exterior body. If any stone chips or scratches in the paint or protective coating are found, they should be touched up straight away.
In certain conditions. special care should be taken to protect your Kia from corrosion.
If driven on salted roads, or near the sea, flush the underbody with clean water at least once a month
It's important to keep the drain holes in the lower edges of the body clear
If damaged in any way that may affect the paint, have it repaired as soon as possible
If carrying special cargo such as chemicals, fertilisers, de-icing salt or other corrosive substances, make sure that they're well packaged and sealed
If often driven on gravel roads, we recommend installing mud flaps behind each wheel
After each regular check, make sure the correct anti-perforation record in the manual have been stamped by the Kia dealer or authorised repairer

What's not covered?

Damage or corrosion due to factors such as accidents, negligence, improper repairs or adjustments, misuse, alterations or collision
Damage or surface corrosion from the environment such as acid rain, airborne fallout (chemicals, tree sap etc.) salt, road hazards, hail, wind storm, lightening, floods and other acts of God
Normal wear, tear and deterioration such as discolouration, fading or deformation
Parts installed on a Kia car in which the odometer has been altered or on which the mileage can't be readily determined
Parts used for purposes they were not designed for
Parts not properly installed by someone other than Kia or an authorised Kia dealer
Parts without proof of purchase or replacement date
Parts that an authorised Kia dealer isn't allowed to sell or install on a Kia car
 

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Thanks Jon. What they said to me what that there was an additional policy/insurance I could purchase that meant for 3 years they would repair any scratches. This came up because when I raised the issue of the matte grey paint they realised this might be a problem, and subsequently, they confirmed to me that they would not cover this paint finish due to having to re-spray entire panels if a scratch occurred. I need to get more information as they were trying to explain this during the presentation the other night and it was difficult to nail down detail.
 

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Thanks Jon. What they said to me what that there was an additional policy/insurance I could purchase that meant for 3 years they would repair any scratches. This came up because when I raised the issue of the matte grey paint they realised this might be a problem, and subsequently, they confirmed to me that they would not cover this paint finish due to having to re-spray entire panels if a scratch occurred. I need to get more information as they were trying to explain this during the presentation the other night and it was difficult to nail down detail.
additional cover sounds like a good idea but I would still suggest a paint treatment specifically designed for matt paint. Let us know the details when they come out.
 
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