Pour Three fingers of really good bourbon that have never seen ice, Drink. If the whole auto unlock thing still bothers you, repeat.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
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Learning to live with my EV6 GT. Where is walk-away auto-lock?
So I made a post about a month ago about how I hated the lack of convenience features on my new EV6 compared to my old Tesla. I am still frustrated with the car, but until my new M3 Comp xDrive comes in, I am trying to learn to live with the car, so maybe I won't feel like I have to get rid of it when my order comes in from Germany.
My one constant pain point is the vehicle not having auto lock. I still cannot get used to getting out of the car and tapping the indent, or hitting the lock button on the FOB. It seems so asinine. The car has approach unlock, why doesn't it have walk-away auto-lock? The car can send me an app alert telling me I forgot to lock the car, so why can't it just lock itself?
I need to solve this issue. The shark racing module doesn't specify if it works with the EV6 GT. There are some posts mentioning the module all over the forum, but no confirmation if it works or not.
Suggestions?
My one constant pain point is the vehicle not having auto lock. I still cannot get used to getting out of the car and tapping the indent, or hitting the lock button on the FOB. It seems so asinine. The car has approach unlock, why doesn't it have walk-away auto-lock? The car can send me an app alert telling me I forgot to lock the car, so why can't it just lock itself?
I need to solve this issue. The shark racing module doesn't specify if it works with the EV6 GT. There are some posts mentioning the module all over the forum, but no confirmation if it works or not.
Suggestions?
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Really - this isn't a deal breaker from a larger perspective. The EV6 wasn't modeled after a Tesla.
That was certainly disappointing - my old Chevrolets do that just fine. But that got tempered with my wife's Mini supposedly having auto-lock, but it does not work 90% of the time so we just got used to locking manually anyway.The car has approach unlock, why doesn't it have walk-away auto-lock?
It’s not about modeling anything, it’s about common sense conveniences that should be available given the more difficult challenges already solved. So I should make prop airplanes because I don’t like the faster more efficient jet engines?
Like blind spot monitoring, rear cross-traffic alert, parking proximity sensing, 360 camera, ventilated seats?It’s not about modeling anything, it’s about common sense conveniences that should be available given the more difficult challenges already solved. So I should make some jeans without a zipper because I don’t want to follow the zipper design.
The car doesn't do it. There is no official option for the car to be made to do it. The OP has stated "I need to solve this issue". He either needs to resign to the fact that it is not resolvable, or spend time and money trying out possible unofficial 3rd party solutions that are unlikely to work and if they do, how do you know that they are not compromising a key security element of the car, i.e. the locking system.It’s not about modeling anything, it’s about common sense conveniences that should be available given the more difficult challenges already solved. So I should make some jeans without a zipper because I don’t want to follow the zipper design.
So it is a missing useful feature that we were led to be believed would be on the car, but that's it, it is a missing feature. Perhaps there is a reason for it.
A wild guess by me but the feature may have had to be dropped when the decision was made to use keys that go into sleep mode after 30 mins or so (to stop realy theft). You stop the car, you sit in the car for 30 mins for whatever reason,say waiting for someone, the key sitting on the passenger seat. The key goes to sleep...you decide to get out of the car...the car no longer detects a key inside (because the key is asleep) and the car autolocks...you are now locked out of the car...if you have your phone with you the app will sort it out...if not.....
There are 3rd party programmable fobs that will incorporate this feature, but some programming and soldering of your current board in your fob is required. But they already have the feature on the car if you unlock the doors and don't open it and walk away, it auto locks the doors. It is crazy that it doesn't have it.
Of course there are a lot of things to not like about the Tesla vehicles, first and foremost, no AA/CP connectivity. Having to do everything through an ipad glued on to the dash. having to take your eyes off the road to see what speed you're going even.
I don't think the perfect vehicle will always exist that will please everybody in the market, so you just have to figure out what omissions you're good to go with.
Of course there are a lot of things to not like about the Tesla vehicles, first and foremost, no AA/CP connectivity. Having to do everything through an ipad glued on to the dash. having to take your eyes off the road to see what speed you're going even.
I don't think the perfect vehicle will always exist that will please everybody in the market, so you just have to figure out what omissions you're good to go with.
This. Apparently owning a Ford as my other vehicle, which also does not auto lock, helped temper my need for this feature, or driving Rams for work, which also do not auto lock.I don't think the perfect vehicle will always exist that will please everybody in the market, so you just have to figure out what omissions you're good to go with.
IMHO, auto-lock in general is a mixed bag. It's great if it works reliably, but there are two failure cases the vehicle has to deal with:
1) Car thinks fob/keys are outside car when they're still in (risk locking fob/keys in vehicle)
2) Car thinks fob/keys are still inside car when they've left (risk not locking vehicle when driver walks away)
My Honda HR-V constantly has the latter, to the point that it always does this annoying "beepbeepbeepbeep" when it thinks the fob is still in the vehicle as I'm walking around it (but closed the door). When it's in that state, I have to manually lock it anyway. Even without that, I've come back to the vehicle to find it unlocked, so I've taken to manually locking most of the time. Since it rarely works for all cases, I can see why many manufacturers have just given up & gone back to manual locking. I actually prefer the EV6, because 1) I know I have to do it, and 2) I can check on the app & lock if I forgot anyway.
1) Car thinks fob/keys are outside car when they're still in (risk locking fob/keys in vehicle)
2) Car thinks fob/keys are still inside car when they've left (risk not locking vehicle when driver walks away)
My Honda HR-V constantly has the latter, to the point that it always does this annoying "beepbeepbeepbeep" when it thinks the fob is still in the vehicle as I'm walking around it (but closed the door). When it's in that state, I have to manually lock it anyway. Even without that, I've come back to the vehicle to find it unlocked, so I've taken to manually locking most of the time. Since it rarely works for all cases, I can see why many manufacturers have just given up & gone back to manual locking. I actually prefer the EV6, because 1) I know I have to do it, and 2) I can check on the app & lock if I forgot anyway.
While I miss it, it is indeed thatauto-lock in general is a mixed bag.
Whenever I took my 2017 Volt, which had it and I used it, in for servicing, I had to remember find the setting buried in some menu, turn it off so the mechanic didn’t lock himself out. Happened. Then I had remember to turn it back on, usually after coming back finding the car unlocked. LOL
Would I use it if we had it? You bet I would. Is it something I’ll bitch ‘n moan about. Absolutely not. As @krusshall reminded us, there are a lot of things the EV6 has or does exceptionally well. Also like @madopal, if I happen to leave the EV6 unlocked I get a reminder and can lock it from the app.
I’m one of “those guys” that finds paying for a subscription for some conveniences that I like to use, no problem. So, yeah, I re-upped for the Kia Connect app.
Potential third-party solution for walk-away auto-door...
Found this in the KiaEV6 Reddit; disclaimer--nothing is said there to indicate that it will definitely work on the EV6 but apparently someone is willing to take the risk. Auto-door lock module Caveat/requirement: From the shark racing site: ONLY CARS THAT HAVE POWER-FOLDING MIRRORS FROM THE...
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i would hate that feature. Often my child likes to stay/sit in the car to get some space. I wouldn't want him being locked in unless I consciously lock him in.My one constant pain point is the vehicle not having auto lock. I still cannot get used to getting out of the car and tapping the indent, or hitting the lock button on the FOB. It seems so asinine. The car has approach unlock, why doesn't it have walk-away auto-lock? The car can send me an app alert telling me I forgot to lock the car, so why can't it just lock itself?
I agree strongly with your last statement.There are 3rd party programmable fobs that will incorporate this feature, but some programming and soldering of your current board in your fob is required. But they already have the feature on the car if you unlock the doors and don't open it and walk away, it auto locks the doors. It is crazy that it doesn't have it.
Of course there are a lot of things to not like about the Tesla vehicles, first and foremost, no AA/CP connectivity. Having to do everything through an ipad glued on to the dash. having to take your eyes off the road to see what speed you're going even.
I don't think the perfect vehicle will always exist that will please everybody in the market, so you just have to figure out what omissions you're good to go with.
I don’t like to be pedantic, but please bear with me!
The current feature that has the car lock the doors when you walk away without opening a door is based on time.
The auto lock feature that would kick in when you walk away even if you have opened a door would be based on proximity.
Those aren’t really the same thing, so they don’t already have the feature on the car.
Who the hell takes a wireless key out of their pocket to forget it in the vehicle lol?
I walk up to the car, it unlocks. I get in, I hit the stupid "Start/Stop" button (lol), wait the 7 seconds it takes for the car to let me select a gear (lol again), press the brake pedal to be able to select a gear (ok that's normal), and then select a gear and drive off. I arrive at my destination, I turn off the car with the "Start/Stop" button (lol once again), it applies the parking brake and goes into park, I open the door, I get out. I walk away, I forget to lock the car (because my previous car of 4 years had walk away auto lock), I get an alert on my app, I take my phone out of my pocket, I open the app (no widget available), I hold down the lock button (lol who would accidentally do this, why do you have to hold), I receive a screen showing the "command was sent" (this is bad UX, and redundant as well. there's no need to alert the user if there wasn't an issue with sending the command, the user can assume functionality) and then the car is finally locked. Or I hit the fob or side of the door when I happen to remember.
The key never leaves my pocket.
This entire process could be simplified. User walks up to the car, it unlocks, user gets in car, presses the brake to turn on the vehicle while putting on their seatbelt, by the time they're done doing that, the car is on and ready to select a gear, you tap the brake again (or keep holding it), select a gear and drive away. A smooth and simple drive away process. If you didn't want to turn the car on, you simply don't press the brake when you get in the car, say if you're just grabbing something out of the vehicle. You park the car (one button), the vehicle can tell it's been put in park (the parking brake was applied automatically by the software), user opens door, and because of park + door open, a window of monitoring if the key is detected begins. The instant the key is no longer detected, the vehicle locks itself. If the user does nothing or wants to sit in the car, the car never unlocks, and never starts looking for the key to not be detected.
It could be so much better. It doesn't have to be as complicated as it currently is. It's not convenient. There are cheaper vehicles that have walk-away auto lock. It should be on a $60,000 car.
The people in this thread saying "I wouldn't want this feature because it wouldn't work for me!" are ridiculous and have a non-argument. The entire point of having a connected vehicle, especially one with as many user-adjustable features as the EV6 has, is so the user could simply turn the feature off if they don't want to use it.
It could easily be implemented in software via an OTA update. The UI already can detect everything I mentioned. There are software options for the locks on the vehicle, which means the ECU is capable of controlling the door locks. The vehicle has the capability to have walk-away auto-lock.
I would add the code myself if it wasn't a closed system.
I walk up to the car, it unlocks. I get in, I hit the stupid "Start/Stop" button (lol), wait the 7 seconds it takes for the car to let me select a gear (lol again), press the brake pedal to be able to select a gear (ok that's normal), and then select a gear and drive off. I arrive at my destination, I turn off the car with the "Start/Stop" button (lol once again), it applies the parking brake and goes into park, I open the door, I get out. I walk away, I forget to lock the car (because my previous car of 4 years had walk away auto lock), I get an alert on my app, I take my phone out of my pocket, I open the app (no widget available), I hold down the lock button (lol who would accidentally do this, why do you have to hold), I receive a screen showing the "command was sent" (this is bad UX, and redundant as well. there's no need to alert the user if there wasn't an issue with sending the command, the user can assume functionality) and then the car is finally locked. Or I hit the fob or side of the door when I happen to remember.
The key never leaves my pocket.
This entire process could be simplified. User walks up to the car, it unlocks, user gets in car, presses the brake to turn on the vehicle while putting on their seatbelt, by the time they're done doing that, the car is on and ready to select a gear, you tap the brake again (or keep holding it), select a gear and drive away. A smooth and simple drive away process. If you didn't want to turn the car on, you simply don't press the brake when you get in the car, say if you're just grabbing something out of the vehicle. You park the car (one button), the vehicle can tell it's been put in park (the parking brake was applied automatically by the software), user opens door, and because of park + door open, a window of monitoring if the key is detected begins. The instant the key is no longer detected, the vehicle locks itself. If the user does nothing or wants to sit in the car, the car never unlocks, and never starts looking for the key to not be detected.
It could be so much better. It doesn't have to be as complicated as it currently is. It's not convenient. There are cheaper vehicles that have walk-away auto lock. It should be on a $60,000 car.
The people in this thread saying "I wouldn't want this feature because it wouldn't work for me!" are ridiculous and have a non-argument. The entire point of having a connected vehicle, especially one with as many user-adjustable features as the EV6 has, is so the user could simply turn the feature off if they don't want to use it.
It could easily be implemented in software via an OTA update. The UI already can detect everything I mentioned. There are software options for the locks on the vehicle, which means the ECU is capable of controlling the door locks. The vehicle has the capability to have walk-away auto-lock.
I would add the code myself if it wasn't a closed system.
I suspect that another company has a patent on the auto-lock feature, and while many companies do license the technology, Hyundai/Kia does not. I found US Patent 8203424, which covers such a system, and is active. It will expire at the end of 2030. There could be other patents, covering different implementations or aspects of the system. There are international treaties about patents, and often foreign patents for the same thing.
If the patent holder refuses to license the rights to Kia, or if Kia is unwilling to agree to licensing terms, then Kia cannot legally use this technology in many countries, especially the USA. That's how the patent system is supposed to work.
Often licensing terms would have a per-unit fee. This might be why the auto-unlock is present on trims that also have the pop-out door handles. It's necessary for that to make sense, but saves money on the trims without.
If the patent holder refuses to license the rights to Kia, or if Kia is unwilling to agree to licensing terms, then Kia cannot legally use this technology in many countries, especially the USA. That's how the patent system is supposed to work.
Often licensing terms would have a per-unit fee. This might be why the auto-unlock is present on trims that also have the pop-out door handles. It's necessary for that to make sense, but saves money on the trims without.
At the risk of fanning the flames, it’s the age-old, unconvincing argument about a $$,$$$ vehicle should have thus and so.There are cheaper vehicles that have walk-away auto lock. It should be on a $60,000 car.
The car gets what the manufacturer wants to or can provide at release date. We get to review, research, and hopefully see and drive one in person before buying. Sure, you could say the same thing about the smaller frunk nd sequential turn signals we don’t get in NA. Or the missing battery pre-conditioning and route planning. Cool, they were added in iterative software updates. Maybe Kia and HMG software engineers are working on it. 🤷🏻♂️
Yea, my $35,000 2017 Volt had it, but my $53,500 EV6 doesn’t. No big deal. I’m not wasting my time complaining about these things when the rest of the EV6 is so much more than my Volt, my $65,000+ Lexus LS430, my son’s 2022 Loaded Ram, which doesn’t have it either.
But to all the people on this forum that want to complain about a car this expensive should include X, Y, and Z, go ahead. It’s your right and privilege to do so.
Me, I’m enjoying the heck outta what I got.
I’d rather it didn’t have relay attack vulnerabilities at all myself
In your otherwise complete step-by-step summary, I think you overlook two possibilities:Who the hell takes a wireless key out of their pocket to forget it in the vehicle
This entire process could be simplified...
a) those without pockets
b) those who exit without opening the door
I have experience with both, but do not make either a habit.
First world problem.Who the hell takes a wireless key out of their pocket to forget it in the vehicle lol?
I walk up to the car, it unlocks. I get in, I hit the stupid "Start/Stop" button (lol), wait the 7 seconds it takes for the car to let me select a gear (lol again), press the brake pedal to be able to select a gear (ok that's normal), and then select a gear and drive off. I arrive at my destination, I turn off the car with the "Start/Stop" button (lol once again), it applies the parking brake and goes into park, I open the door, I get out. I walk away, I forget to lock the car (because my previous car of 4 years had walk away auto lock), I get an alert on my app, I take my phone out of my pocket, I open the app (no widget available), I hold down the lock button (lol who would accidentally do this, why do you have to hold), I receive a screen showing the "command was sent" (this is bad UX, and redundant as well. there's no need to alert the user if there wasn't an issue with sending the command, the user can assume functionality) and then the car is finally locked. Or I hit the fob or side of the door when I happen to remember.
The key never leaves my pocket.
This entire process could be simplified. User walks up to the car, it unlocks, user gets in car, presses the brake to turn on the vehicle while putting on their seatbelt, by the time they're done doing that, the car is on and ready to select a gear, you tap the brake again (or keep holding it), select a gear and drive away. A smooth and simple drive away process. If you didn't want to turn the car on, you simply don't press the brake when you get in the car, say if you're just grabbing something out of the vehicle. You park the car (one button), the vehicle can tell it's been put in park (the parking brake was applied automatically by the software), user opens door, and because of park + door open, a window of monitoring if the key is detected begins. The instant the key is no longer detected, the vehicle locks itself. If the user does nothing or wants to sit in the car, the car never unlocks, and never starts looking for the key to not be detected.
It could be so much better. It doesn't have to be as complicated as it currently is. It's not convenient. There are cheaper vehicles that have walk-away auto lock. It should be on a $60,000 car.
The people in this thread saying "I wouldn't want this feature because it wouldn't work for me!" are ridiculous and have a non-argument. The entire point of having a connected vehicle, especially one with as many user-adjustable features as the EV6 has, is so the user could simply turn the feature off if they don't want to use it.
It could easily be implemented in software via an OTA update. The UI already can detect everything I mentioned. There are software options for the locks on the vehicle, which means the ECU is capable of controlling the door locks. The vehicle has the capability to have walk-away auto-lock.
I would add the code myself if it wasn't a closed system.
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