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ital

Discussion Starter · Oct 6, 2021

Just wondering do Kia have a card that gives preferential rates at public chargers in the UK?
just wondering what other people are paying that use Kia EVs when out and about.

Just asking, as for the next several months I won’t have access from home to a wall charger etc as I will be parked on road.

Also what would the approx cost be to charge from 10 to 80% on a typical battery of 77 kwh
be at the moment?

I know that Mercedes and BMW offer a charge card which gets them lower rates at public chargers in the UK

Any advice appreciated.

Thanks

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Desmo

· #2 · Oct 6, 2021

I'm sure I've read that we'll get a discount card on some networks. Obviously though the devil is in the detail so no idea on what charge networks or what the costs would be.

As a rough guide, if we take the battery as 77kWh (and I'll do some rounding here), 10% would be 8kWh and 80% would be 62kWh so you're looking at putting in around 54kWh.

A few prices...
Ionity @ 69p = £37.26
BP Pulse @ 42p = £22.68
Instavolt @ 40p = £21.60
Gridserve @ 24p = £12.96

Obviously those prices are very rough and some networks charge different rates at different places.

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arnsbrae

· #3 · Oct 6, 2021

Desmo said:
I'm sure I've read that we'll get a discount card on some networks. Obviously though the devil is in the detail so no idea on what charge networks or what the costs would be.

As a rough guide, if we take the battery as 77kWh (and I'll do some rounding here), 10% would be 8kWh and 80% would be 62kWh so you're looking at putting in around 54kWh.

A few prices...
Ionity @ 69p = £37.26
BP Pulse @ 42p = £22.68
Instavolt @ 40p = £21.60
Gridserve @ 24p = £12.96

Obviously those prices are very rough and some networks charge different rates at different places.

Great post.

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Pebbles2012

· #4 · Oct 6, 2021

In Denmark you receive 1:12 dkk back on every KwH charged from home, which costs 3.18 dkk Kwh if you just plugged in at home. The charger has its own reading, so the discount is direct and costs 1:06 dkk per KwH.
Public charging is around 3.5-5.5 dkk per KwH at 8.17 dkk to the £. So, 62 KwH charged publicly would be £26.50 and at home where 97% would happen, is £8.

arnsbrae

· #5 · Oct 6, 2021

Pebbles2012 said:
In Denmark you receive 1:12 dkk back on every KwH charged from home, which costs 3.18 dkk Kwh if you just plugged in at home. The charger has its own reading, so the discount is direct and costs 1:06 dkk per KwH.
Public charging is around 3.5-5.5 dkk per KwH at 8.17 dkk to the £. So, 62 KwH charged publicly would be £26.50 and at home where 97% would happen, is £8.

Sounds like a great deal…

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arnsbrae

· #6 · Oct 6, 2021

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StephNL

· #7 · Oct 7, 2021

In NL, the EV6 comes with a 1 year Ionity Power subscription for free charged at €13/month after the first year): €0.29/kW (instead of €0.79/kW) so worth it if you charge more than 26 kWh per month on ionity.
The Ionity discounted rate is not far from my energy provider current rate

voxel

· #8 · Oct 7, 2021

In parts of the US (in Florida) it's pretty bad price wise. I drove 10 miles to the nearest DC Charger (EVGo 50 kW - most are this slow speed) which charges $0.35 per minute. This was a test for my ID.4 and I picked up Chipotle nearby but financially it was awful.

$7.29 (USD) for 15.4 kW and I had to drive 20 miles (back and forth). I netted under 10 kW.

The cost of the public charge per mile (assuming 3.5 miles per kW): 53.9 miles for $7.29 = $0.13 per mile.
Gas here is $2.99/gallon and most cars get at least 20 miles per gallon = $0.14 per mile
At 30 miles per gallon (any sedan or hybrid) = $0.09 per mile.

Electric vehicles with public charging is not cheaper - especially if you have to drive a distance to them and back also.

tangey

· #9 · Nov 15, 2021

The figures are entirely different in the UK where petrol/diesel is around $8.60 for an imperial gallon.

Also using 5.4KW to get 10KW clearly makes no sense, given you are going to need 2.7KW to get back to the charger to recharge it again. If doing a 20 Mile return journey you should really be looking to do a full charge.

harrim99

· #10 · Dec 13, 2021

Link below to UK Kia Charge details including discount for all EV6 and also EV6 pre-reservation customers. 25p/kWh on IONITY HPC charger looks a very good deal. Have signed up to Kia Charge but not really travelling much yet so have delayed starting the 12m period. M

Kia Charge | Tariffs | United Kingdom

With a Kia Charge charging tariff, you always make the right choice for your Kia - stay on top of things with our transparent prices and charges.

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Cnsheets

· #11 · Dec 13, 2021

voxel said:
Gas here is $2.99/gallon and most cars get at least 20 miles per gallon = $0.14 per mile

Lucky you, gas here in Cali is close to $5/gallon

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Logicpro8

· #12 · Dec 14, 2021

In Scotland we have various free 50kw changers, 22kw and 7kw, mostly in large park and rides. Charge Place Scotland is 0.16p a KW in most places (need to buy a card though). I notice the new Costa Coffee in Fife/Dunfermline had 3 new chargers, not active yet but they look big, maybe 22kw....maybe free while you drink coffee....

Is Kia Charge worth it?, I will hardly use it, maybe once a year when going down south for holidays to the sea side. I used BRP to plan my yearly trip to Scarborough from Scotland then to York, then back to Scotland and it shows some interesting things about charging.

Leaving with 100% battery, If I used the Alnwick Ionity half way to charge back to 68% (from 37%) it would cost me £15.67, says 10mins charge.. expensive, however, if I used another route stopping at a Newcastle Fastned charger charging from 33% to 53% it would cost me £4.98, much cheaper, getting me to the same place 5mins later that the first route showing Ionity super expensive, Kia Charge may help a little. in my ICE car last year this trip cost me over £100 in Petrol, that was with cheaper non E10 Petrol of course, this year if I travel in the Audi ICE is would maybe cost somewhere between £100-£120 maybe there and back, so now the Ionity prices look very cheap

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Durham EV6

· #13 · 7 mo ago

Desmo said:
I'm sure I've read that we'll get a discount card on some networks. Obviously though the devil is in the detail so no idea on what charge networks or what the costs would be.

As a rough guide, if we take the battery as 77kWh (and I'll do some rounding here), 10% would be 8kWh and 80% would be 62kWh so you're looking at putting in around 54kWh.

A few prices...
Ionity @ 69p = £37.26
BP Pulse @ 42p = £22.68
Instavolt @ 40p = £21.60
Gridserve @ 24p = £12.96

Obviously those prices are very rough and some networks charge different rates at different places.

Well that's changed quite a bit hasn't it... Before I bought my car I costed 4 pence per mile, with some chargers it's now 26 pence per mile!

50kw (more if faster)
Ionity @ 69p
BP Pulse @ 63p
Instavolt @ 66p
Gridserve @ 65p

Common public
1. Tesla
2. Gridserve
3. Pod Point
4. Fastned
5. Instavolt
6. Shell Recharge
7. Geniepoint
8. lonity
9. Chargeplace Scotland
10. Osprey
11. BP Pulse (Chargemaster)
12. Chargeyourcar (CYC)

Diesel/Petrol Vs Electric
Audi Q5 (2.0 TFSI petrol) vs E-Tron Petrol takes you 46 miles for £10, whereas electric on a public charger takes you 35 miles

BMW 4 Series Gran Coupe (420d) vs i4 Diesel takes you 73 miles for £10, whereas electric on a public charger takes you 44 miles

Citroen C4 (110hp diesel) vs e-C4 Diesel takes you 84 miles for £10, whereas electric on a public charger takes you 59 miles

Mercedes-Benz GLA (2.0 petrol) vs EQA Petrol takes you 43 miles for £10, whereas electric on a public charger takes you 52 miles

Peugeot 208 (110hp diesel) vs e-208 Diesel takes you 89 miles for £10, whereas electric on a public charger takes you 56 miles

Vauxhall Mokka (110hp diesel) vs Vauxhall Mokka-e Diesel takes you 80 miles for £10, whereas electric on a public charger takes you 50 miles

Gulp!

P.S. I deliberately didn't set a new conversation about this, as it would have no doubt been moved, merged or both!

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rkr

· #14 · 7 mo ago

Durham EV6 said:
Well that's changed quite a bit hasn't it... Before I bought my car I costed 4 pence per mile, with some chargers it's now 26 pence per mile!

50kw (more if faster)
Ionity @ 69p
BP Pulse @ 63p
Instavolt @ 66p
Gridserve @ 65p

Common public
1. Tesla
2. Gridserve
3. Pod Point
4. Fastned
5. Instavolt
6. Shell Recharge
7. Geniepoint
8. lonity
9. Chargeplace Scotland
10. Osprey
11. BP Pulse (Chargemaster)
12. Chargeyourcar (CYC)

Diesel/Petrol Vs Electric
Audi Q5 (2.0 TFSI petrol) vs E-Tron Petrol takes you 46 miles for £10, whereas electric on a public charger takes you 35 miles

BMW 4 Series Gran Coupe (420d) vs i4 Diesel takes you 73 miles for £10, whereas electric on a public charger takes you 44 miles

Citroen C4 (110hp diesel) vs e-C4 Diesel takes you 84 miles for £10, whereas electric on a public charger takes you 59 miles

Mercedes-Benz GLA (2.0 petrol) vs EQA Petrol takes you 43 miles for £10, whereas electric on a public charger takes you 52 miles

Peugeot 208 (110hp diesel) vs e-208 Diesel takes you 89 miles for £10, whereas electric on a public charger takes you 56 miles

Vauxhall Mokka (110hp diesel) vs Vauxhall Mokka-e Diesel takes you 80 miles for £10, whereas electric on a public charger takes you 50 miles

Gulp!

P.S. I deliberately didn't set a new conversation about this, as it would have no doubt been moved, merged or both!

Gulp is right! Those are some crazy high prices for public charging vs. petrol. How can we expect a decent uptake of EVs, at least in the UK, when it's costing more per mile than petrol?

What percentage, would you roughly estimate, of UK EV drivers are able to charge at home? How much is that costing?

Even with our significantly cheaper fuel in (parts of) the US, charging at home is still substantially cheaper still. e.g. Petrol where I live is $3.60/gallon. I'm paying about 0.12 cents per kWh to charge at home.

So at 20 MPG, a petrol car would cost 0.18 per mile.
My EV6 costs about .034 per mile, about 5x less.

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tonester

· #15 · 7 mo ago

rkr said:
Even with our significantly cheaper fuel in (parts of) the US, charging at home is still substantially cheaper still. e.g. Petrol where I live is $3.60/gallon. I'm paying about 0.12 cents per kWh to charge at home.

So at 20 MPG, a petrol car would cost 0.18 per mile.
My EV6 costs about .034 per mile, about 5x less.

LOL in my neck of the woods residential electric rates are on average 3x what you're paying, and can be as high as 4x your rate...and this is in a state (CA) that just passed legislation outlawing the sale of new ICE vehicles by 2035--i.e., they want you to drive EVs instead of ICE vehicles.

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