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Ceramic Coating vs PPF Wraps, Which way should we go?

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Hey folks! When I received my EV6 in the matte gray color one of my biggest concerns was protecting the paint. I'd imagine many of you with the same exterior are worried about the same. I did make a post in my thread when I took delivery about what I'd found researching/looking around but thought it would make more sense to put it into a separate topic to make it easier for people to search for/talk about. Below is a copy paste of that post with my findings. Hopefully you find it useful:

I know I replied to you guys earlier but thought I'd give you a little more clarification on everything based on what I found out. I don't have sources because I went through a couple hundred today between phone calls with auto detailers/installers, professional reviews, and forums. The long story short with PPF is this:

  • VS Ceramic Coatings, PPF's are a much thicker application. As a result, they offer more protection
  • They also tend to have longer warranties (10 years is what I was seeing pretty consistently)
  • For the most part there were 4 main competitors in the space for these coatings: 3M, Suntek, STEK, and XPEL
  • 3M was the first to offer these, but since seem to have fallen out of favor with a lot of shops and buyers because it has more of an "orange peel" appearance to it and was more susceptible to yellowing over time. A lot of people said, though, that they hadn't tried 3M in a long while and believed that there's a good chance in the time since that they had fixed the yellowing issue.
  • Between XPEL, Suntek, and STEK it seems like XPEL has been around the longest and had the most people supporting them because they had been around for that long.
  • HOWEVER, a lot of people that had done their cars much more recently (past few years) had said they ended up going with STEK in the end (they are much newer then any of the others) because they found that it looked better.
  • Most of the things they cited were stuff like much less/no orange peel effect, much clearer film, and (for those doing the matte finish ie those of us with the matte EV6) the matte wrap had a more "satin" look to it. It's called STEK Dynamatt, there are more than a few hundred people out there with photos of their finished products if you want to look around.
  • Between these big three, it also seemed that XPEL on average was more expensive, in my case it was a difference of ~5k vs ~7k (7k being for XPEL)
  • It seemed to me that the big reason for the price difference with XPEL had to do with the SOFTWARE
  • Now bear with me here. The software is a bit of a big deal because this software provides the installer with the patterns for the different body panels on cars. It seems XPEL seems to have the most comprehensive library of patterns for cars. They actually have the patterns for the EV6! GT-Line... Now the thing here is the GT-Line and the FE are almost identical save for a few spots where the FE does NOT have body colored paint, so it's not really as big a deal for us. EDIT Many thanks to @Wiz for correcting me later on in the thread THE FE AND GT LINE ARE NOT IDENTICAL OUTSIDE OF THESE. If you decide to wrap your car check if the installer has the patterns for the WIND LINE as the FE shares more panels with it over the GT-Line. As of 02/10 the GT-Line appears to be the only pattern available.
  • For installers that don't have the XPEL system, they will have to custom cut the panel pieces out to get it right. If the detailer/shop you're going to has done this a bunch before it's not a big deal. This leads to the biggest point, though
  • MOST OF IT COMES DOWN TO THE QUALITY OF THE INSTALLER. This is something I pretty much read UNIVERSALLY from every source. A very good installer can make even a mediocre wrap look excellent, and a mediocre installer can make an excellent wrap look mediocre. You really need to spend time finding out what the installer is most comfortable with.
In my case, the installer I went with has the XPEL software, but now only does STEK because he's found it much easier to work with. He's also been in the business for about 15 years and has done professional work for a lot of the local exotics dealerships. I think my biggest piece of advice to those looking to have their car wrapped/paint protected somehow is basically this:

  • PPF or Ceramic coatings are going to do an excellent job of protecting your paint/vehicle from chips/scratches and the like. Ceramic coatings will be cheaper and will also not last as long, they also are likely to ask for you to come in for touch ups/top coating every year to keep it in ideal condition. This normally means they have warranties of about 3-5 years. PPF Coatings are much thicker, and will last longer (10 years), but you will pay a good bit more (~3x)
  • The major players in the PPF Wraps space are STEK, Suntek, XPEL. XPEL seems to be the most expensive because of the software being more comprehensive.
  • You should probably focus less on which wrap brand you want to use and more on looking for an installer that has a lot of experience and comfort with using whichever product they use. A good installer/shop is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than the wrap type
Sorry for the long winded post, but I hope my ramblings comes off as useful.
 
#2 ·
That's a lot of money for paint protection...10% of the MSRP of the car for PPF? Ludicrous.

If I ever get one of these, I may just PPF the clamshell hood. I don't know what that will cost, but I am assuming "not much" because its a single piece on a single panel that can open, so having the film wrap around and trimmed is a lot easier, even for a non custom cut PPF...that's the logic anyway.

Ceramic is a bit of a tossup. Some offer 8 years on it but I honestly don't know how they can accurately determine whether or not it failed to meet expectations. Where I live, most of the paint damage happens on the tailgate, hood, and roof. I don't care about the roof, so I wouldn't bother, but the hood does take a lot of damage which is why I would consider just that for PPF.

The tailgate gets really grimy in the winter, so I would probably want to protect that too. Hopefully I can find a shop that is willing to do just 2 panels for a reasonable cost. I don't feel like paying thousands on top of the price of an already expensive car. As pretty as the EV6 is, it's still a commuter vehicle, not a priceless work of art.
 
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That's a lot of money for paint protection...10% of the MSRP of the car for PPF? Ludicrous.

If I ever get one of these, I may just PPF the clamshell hood. I don't know what that will cost, but I am assuming "not much" because its a single piece on a single panel that can open, so having the film wrap around and trimmed is a lot easier, even for a non custom cut PPF...that's the logic anyway.

Ceramic is a bit of a tossup. Some offer 8 years on it but I honestly don't know how they can accurately determine whether or not it failed to meet expectations. Where I live, most of the paint damage happens on the tailgate, hood, and roof. I don't care about the roof, so I wouldn't bother, but the hood does take a lot of damage which is why I would consider just that for PPF.

The tailgate gets really grimy in the winter, so I would probably want to protect that too. Hopefully I can find a shop that is willing to do just 2 panels for a reasonable cost. I don't feel like paying thousands on top of the price of an already expensive car. As pretty as the EV6 is, it's still a commuter vehicle, not a priceless work of art.
I think that's a perfectly valid stance to have. The only thing I would say is that if you are going with the matte paint option, then you really do need to consider one of these otherwise the paint will end up getting beat up pretty badly and be noticeable. You have issues like water spots forming, the acidity of bird poop etching into matte paint (much moreso than with clear/glossy paint because the surface finish is rougher, meaning more surface area for reactions to occur), inability to run matte paint cars through auto car washes (the bristles and the wax/abrasives included in the cleaning solution will damage the paint), swirling, and a host of other issues.
 
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I'm dropping my EV6 first edition on Monday at Fantazy Motorsports to get Ceramic Pro Coating, Paint Correction to hide any visible scratches, and tinting the driver and passenger windows. I wanted to do PPF but it's too expensive. Ceramic Pro package I chose comes with Lifetime Warranty, but I need to get the car inspected every year for any issues with the coating to keep the warranty valid which I don't mind.
 
#6 ·
I've never had any paint protection on any car I've ever owned and I'm not going to start now. I just don't see the value in it.
 
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I am dropping my Matte Gray FE on the 23rd for Xpel PPF and Ceramic coating on top of it. Plus free car washes for life every other week! $4800. I am in the auto collision business. I know what this paint is like to take care of. This will allow me to go through car washes and no worries - plus free washes as mentioned above. I did not realize I clicked the matte finish when ordering my car, oops. People love it. I love it, but I hate taking care of it. It is nearly 10% cost of car and I hate that, but I am keeping it. I take care of my stuff and it does add value. People realize what it cost and you can usually get more for vehicle in resale. Especially in this market. But I am not selling [emoji41]

On another note, as an Ape, I hope some investments will make this car practically “free” in the future, LOL [emoji1787][emoji1787]


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Picked mine up from Supreme Wraps here in North Texas/Dallas Burbs. Full Xpel Stealth, Gloss Black Roof and spoiler, full ceramic on top of all of that. Stunning upgrade! Looks fantastic. Has a little bit of “out gassing” - 2 weeks to settle. Park in sun. Go back for clean up, then I will install badges.

Worth every penny.

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Picked mine up from Supreme Wraps here in North Texas/Dallas Burbs. Full Xpel Stealth, Gloss Black Roof and spoiler, full ceramic on top of all of that. Stunning upgrade! Looks fantastic. Has a little bit of “out gassing” - 2 weeks to settle. Park in sun. Go back for clean up, then I will install badges.

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Were they about to do the fender wells and front spoiler & back lower with PPF over all the ridges?
 
#22 ·
Dropped my FE Matte for ceramic pro this morning. Silver package. Doubt I will own it 5 years but wanted to do a bit of protection. My guy said it will be on the car fax which is good to know! He was also doing PPF on a Tesla Plaid!
 
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Speaking of ceramic, I have a question. After perusing a number of websites that focus on ceramic coatings, the prevailing wisdom seems to be: avoid commercial car washes and hand wash your car with PH-neutral concentrates. This sounds great in theory, but I live in Maine where winters are cold and often snowy and the roads are salted.

Up here, you have to wash your car weekly (at least) in winter, especially the undercarriage. Most automatic car washes have those spinning brushes that look like they're made of microfiber strips (at least they're not nylon bristles!). However, there are some touchless washes where they spray the vehicle with higher pressure (and probably stronger detergents). In any event, I'll have to pick my poison.

I've been washing my Audi for about three years at the car washes with brushes, and it's held up nicely. In the warmer months, I hand wash at home and wax it with Klasse (a German concoction that cleans the finish a bit and protects it with a long-lasting synthetic wax, works really great). To my eye, the car looks terrific after one of these cleanings... but probably a professional detailer would notice micro-scratches in the finish. I guess I'm not super-finicky about that sort of stuff.

So.. my question is: Given that I have to take my car to either a touch-free or conventional car wash during winters, would a ceramic treatment be worth it? I'd like to have a nice car like the EV6 protected, but if the commercial washing would erode it quickly, obviously ceramic would be a waste of money. Any thoughts?
 
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Florida here. Just got a quote for full body PPF, 3m 8 mil, professional installation, 10 year warranty...$5800. The shop does really nice work. Watched them wrapping a Portofino, and very sweet AMG. Funny, they had 22 Tesla's in the shop at the time I was there. They have done Two EV6s. She said they had no problem w the ridges on the bodywork.
 
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Hi there,

STEK, 3M and Certified CARPRO CQUARTZ Professional installer here, from Dallas TX. I want to comment on some of the points you mentioned.

HOWEVER, a lot of people that had done their cars much more recently (past few years) had said they ended up going with STEK in the end (they are much newer then any of the others) because they found that it looked better.
- As you mentioned, compared to XPEL, STEK's DYNO series films have more gloss, clarity, and hydrophobicity. There are differences in manufacturing technologies.

Between these big three, it also seemed that XPEL on average was more expensive, in my case it was a difference of ~5k vs ~7k (7k being for XPEL)
- There is technically no reason to pay an extra $2k for XPEL. Unlike STEK's DYNOshield or DYNOmatte, their ULTIMATE or STEALTH films are not hydrophobic, as least as of 2022. They may be charging the extra $2k for ceramic coating. STEK does not require ceramic coating, as the film's topcoat is already intrinsically hydrophobic.

It seemed to me that the big reason for the price difference with XPEL had to do with the SOFTWARE
- No it is not the software. XPEL is not the only company that offers PPF pattern software. The truth is, high-end STEK dealers' prices are (and have to be) more than an average XPEL installer. There are several reasons for this but here is one of them: Some high-end STEK installers are very capable and experienced in "colored PPF" installations (color change wrapping), because, while STEK has more than 20 colored/textured PPFs on the market, XPEL (according to my best knowledge) has only 1 colored film. If you want to change the color of your car with PPF (instead of vinyl), you cannot use computer precut patterns, it requires bulk installation, and the edges should be fully wrapped, but not like a precut PPF. XPEL installers do not have colored films to develop experience in color change wrapping. Here is the catch; if an installer has the skills to change the color of a vehicle using PPF, he/she can use the same skills to make a clear PPF fully invisible.

It seems XPEL seems to have the most comprehensive library of patterns for cars. They actually have the patterns for the EV6! GT-Line...
- Eastman's Core pattern library has also EV6 GT-Line. We recently wrapped one and used a pattern only on the front bumper, the rest of the front end is bulk installation. Here is my recommendation: ask your installer not to use a kit on the fender flares. We always bulk the fender flares, wrap the edges and make the film 99.99% invisible.

Ceramic coatings will be cheaper and will also not last as long, they also are likely to ask for you to come in for touch ups/top coating every year to keep it in ideal condition. This normally means they have warranties of about 3-5 years.
- My recommendation is to stay away from companies that sell you the service with a warranty claim. I do not give a warranty to my services, because, technically, I shouldn't be giving a warranty for a ceramic coating. Warranties are like pacifiers, we take the hard route and explain to our customers in detail what a ceramic coating is, what should be the expectations, what are the true benefits and how should they maintain the coating.

You should probably focus less on which wrap brand you want to use and more on looking for an installer that has a lot of experience and comfort with using whichever product they use. A good installer/shop is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than the wrap type
I totally agree. You can find this interesting:

How to Find the Best Paint Protection Film Installer

Thanks for the detailed opening thread.
 
#53 · (Edited)
Indeed, both PPF vs ceramic coatings offer excellent protection, but they have different characteristics and applications. PPF is known for its physical protection against rock chips and scratches, while ceramic coatings provide chemical resistance, ease of maintenance, and enhanced gloss.
When it comes to PPF, there are several reputable brands in the market, such as 3M, Suntek, STEK, and XPEL. Each brand has its strengths and weaknesses, and customer preferences can vary based on factors like appearance, longevity, and pricing.