[dc30307]

I testdrove the Audi q4 e tron 40 and today also the rwd kia ev6. ... the audi feels faster of the line...

That's interesting, because the Q4 40 is rated 1s slower to 100km/h than the EV6 RWD, assuming you were testing the long range version.

 

[Swigga]

That's interesting, because the Q4 40 is rated 1s slower to 100km/h than the EV6 RWD, assuming you were testing the long range version.

Yes I know, but the Q4 40 (rwd longe range) feels a little bit quicker from a stand still. If you go pedal to the methal with the EV6 rwd from a stand still, it's a little bit to slow off the line for me... My current toyota corolla 2.0 hybrid get's of the line better and i like that more because it's important to pull on a road or something... it's feels like this: from 0-30 km/u the audi feels quicker, from 30 km/u - 100 km/u the kia is faster but not a big difference in feeling you know... So overal, if i have to choose between Q4 40 and 229hp kia ev6, i would go for the Q4... ( sorry for my english)

 

[Logicpro8]

I am now in a similar position, sorry for the long post and re-opening/reading this old thread.

EV6 GT Line or Audi Q4 E Tron 40 S Line...

I have placed a deposit on the Kia EV6 GT Line RWD due for delivery 5th January 2022. A few weeks away. But this (and other) forums as full of EV6 issues and have me doubting the EV6 decision. I love the EV6. I come from an Audi background. A1 2015 to A4 Saloon 2017 to a newer A4 Avant Black Edition 2019 version and the natural move would be to a Q4 E Tron 40 or something in a similar price range. (No loyalty discount with Audi, which is shocking). I am down to Kia EV6 or Q4 E Tron 40 S Line, looked at other EVs yes... And now can't make the decision.

Here are my thoughts on both cars. Maybe others could chip in as well, feedback is welcome on both cars from everyone good or bad. I have test-driven both cars twice.

Audi:
1. Expensive for what it is.
2. Looks slightly plastic-like compared to my Audi A4 and the EV6, they could have done better, Look at the E Tron GT for example, a total change from the norm Audi car look, Q4 seems to be almost toy looking ICE version.
3. Nice interior, Kia EV6 not far off it.
4. PCP finance is expensive at 6.9% APR some 8.4%!!! putting monthly payments way over that of the EV6...
5. Q4 is slower than the Kia is the 40 spec RWD and handling not as sharp, big metal boat feel?
6. Slower charging than Kia (not an issue as rapid chargers are kind of all over the place with speed etc)
7. Need to pay extra on top of the car price for say reverse camera and other tech Kia already has.. Audi packs...cost a lot.
8. It's an Audi (although the Q4 E Tron seems lower quality inside and out compared to my older Audi A4s...and the brand value just isn't there for me anymore, it's not worth it anymore type of thing. Yes, it's an Audi but... there are better cars out there.)
9. My friend all have Audis and BMWs... Which I no longer care for.
10. Range seems ok, it's a heavier car, not as good as Kia... maybe about the same

Kia:
1. EV6 design, it's amazing. Great fresh design. Better than the Q4 in my eyes, it's a change from the norm, I like to be different.
2. Kia finance is cheaper (for my deal anyway, 4.9% APR) monthly price is just over £100 more than my A4 costs per month, including petrol that is.
3. Lots of kit as standard over Audi.
4. Faster than Q4 E Tron 40 RWD as we know. Not much. Kia is also faster top speed. Not that I'll need it
5. Kia offered me almost £1200 over what Audi was offering me as a part exchange for my A4... likely more now they say!! £300 more by the time trade-in happens.
6. Changing to a Kia may stop people trying to race me on the road, in Scotland it's terrible. Yes, it happens because I have black Audi logos on my car, twin exhausts from an S4, lowered springs etc etc etc, Black Edition styling, but that doesn't mean I want to race cars on the road (other Audis, mostly BMWs, it's annoying, it's a hobby of mine to work on cars. I will not be doing this with the EV6!.
7. Range seems great, real-world range from users here and other forums/YT looks promising.
8. Got to pay for a heat pump. Audi told me it is free on Q4 (not verified)

I'm sure there is more...and the lists go on and on, but these are the main for me. Kia seems a fresh approach to travelling in style for me anyway and breaking away from Audi. Maybe come back in the future.

Could I get other users' options if possible? Quite consenting I am 2 weeks from accepting the EV6 and being in doubt about it... I ordered as there was one available when I was there. Big story around that for another time.

I have strong feelings for the Kia EV6 and continuing with my order as planned and feel for Audi only as a brand.. should I stay in brand with Audi, really want to make sure I am making the correct decision, of course, it is my decision alone to make, but your option matters as owners of the EV6 and possibly being in the same position as I am now with say Jaguar, Audi, BMW etc And the big change to another brand..

 

[dc30307]

These are the two cars I've been considering as well. We don't yet have the ability to see either of these in person here yet, but from all the research I've done, my thoughts are very similar to yours. But unless you also have a Q4 on order, wouldn't switching to one put you WAY out, to later next year? From what I've read, it sounds like the Q4 wait times are even longer than the EV6. By the time you could get a Q4, most of the EV6 issues could be fixed!

 

[Logicpro8]

These are the two cars I've been considering as well. We don't yet have the ability to see either of these in person here yet, but from all the research I've done, my thoughts are very similar to yours. But unless you also have a Q4 on order, wouldn't switching to one put you WAY out, to later next year? From what I've read, it sounds like the Q4 wait times are even longer than the EV6. By the time you could get a Q4, most of the EV6 issues could be fixed!

Your absolutely right there, if I cancel I could be in for a LONG wait either way. Kia or Audi and be stuck with my ICE potentially then missing out on the higher user car prices people are paying and then having to front a deposit out my own pocket rather than from car profit. A double loss. +1 for the EV6 on that front. Thanks for bringing this up.

 

[1094]

I am now in a similar position, sorry for the long post and re-opening/reading this old thread.

EV6 GT Line or Audi Q4 E Tron 40 S Line... I have placed a deposit on the Kia EV6 GT Line RWD due for delivery 5th January 2022. A few weeks away. But this (and other) forums as full of EV6 issues and have me doubting the EV6 decision. I love the EV6. I come from an Audi background. A1 2015 to A4 Saloon 2017 to a newer A4 Avant Black Edition 2019 version and the natural move would be to a Q4 E Tron 40 or something in a similar price range. (No loyalty discount with Audi, which is shocking). I am down to Kia EV6 or Q4 E Tron 40 S Line, looked at other EVs yes... And now can't make the decision.

Here are my thoughts on both cars. Maybe others could chip in as well, feedback is welcome on both cars from everyone. I have test-driven both.

Audi:
1. Expensive for what it is.
2. Looks slightly plastic-like compared to my A4 and the EV6, they could have done better, Look at the E Tron GT for example, a total change from the norm Audi car look, Q4 seems to be almost toy looking ICE version.
3. Nice interior, Kia EV6 not far off it.
4. PCP finance is expensive at 6.9% APR some 8.4%!!! putting monthly payments way over that of the EV6...
5. Q4 is slower than the Kia is the 40 spec RWD and handling not as sharp, big metal boat feel?
6. Slower charging than Kia (not an issue as rapid chargers are kind of all over the place with speed etc)
7. Need to pay extra on top of the car price for say reverse camera and other tech Kia already has.. Audi packs...
8. It's an Audi (although the Q4 E Tron seems lower quality inside and out compared to my older Audis...and the brand value just isn't there for me anymore, it's not worth it anymore type of thing. Yes it's an Audi but... there are better cars out there.)
9. My friend all have Audis and BMWs... Which I no longer care for.
10. Range seems ok, it's a heavier car, not as good as Kia... maybe about the same.




Kia:
1. EV6 design, it's amazing. Great fresh design. Better than the Q4 in my eyes, it's a change from the norm, I like to be different.
2. Kia finance is cheaper (for my deal anyway, 4.9% APR) monthly price is just over £100 more than my A4 costs per month, including petrol that is.
3. Lots of kit as standard over Audi.
4. Faster than Q4 E Tron 40 RWD as we know. Not much. Kia is also faster top speed. Not that I'll need it
5. Kia offered me almost £1200 over what Audi was offering me as a part exchange for my A4... likely more now they say!! £300 more by the time trade-in happens.
6. Changing to a Kia may stop people trying to race me on the road, in Scotland it's terrible. Yes, it happens because I have black Audi logos on my car, twin exhausts from an S4, lowered springs etc etc etc, Black Edition styling, but that doesn't mean I want to race cars on the road (other Audis, mostly BMWs, it's annoying, it's a hobby of mine to work on cars. I will not be doing this with the EV6!.
7. Range seems great, real world range from users here and other forums/YT
8. Got to pay for a heatpump. Audi told me it is free on Q4 (not verified)

I'm sure there is more...and the lists go on and on, but these are the main for me. Kia seems a fresh approach to traveling in style.

Could I get other users' options if possible? Quite consenting I am 2 weeks from accepting the car and being in doubt.

I have strong feelings for the Kia EV6, continuing with my order as planned and Audi only as a brand.. should I stay in brand, really want to make sure I am making the correct decision, of course it is my decision alone but your option matters as owners of the EV6 and possibly being in the same position as I am now with say Jaguar, Audi, BMW etc And the big change to another brand..

I went from 2019 q3 to ev6.
Had it for a month now.
yes there are some issues, the heat one particularly is the one I’m seeing. This has already been partially fixed through update.
I’ve not had any other issues such as zombie mode etc
But Kia seem to be in the ball with fixes which is a good sign.

the q4 was the logical move for me coming from a q3 but honestly I felt the q3 was so small after carting a family around for 2 years. I could never get totally comfortable driving it and when the seat was back there was no adult legroom in the back. The ev6 is so spacious than I can’t ever imagine anyone having an issue even if you were carrying 5 adults.
The boot in ev6 is apparently smaller on volume but it’s feels bigger, I can get pram in no problem that I couldn’t with q3 (q3 and q4 very similar size hence why I’m using it as my comparison)

all the things you are saying are correct. No matter what you are always paying an Audi premium for the badge. And now in the world of evs that’s just not required. The VAG group infatuation with add ons is a real turn off for me.

Me and the wife love the ev6 even more now after a month of ownership than we did when we bought it.
She would t touch the q3 when we got it and instead preferred her fabia!! Now I can’t get her out of the ev6. She says everything about it just feels right but it’s hard to list what exactly. I feel the same, it’s just the whole package just fits and there is nothing I don’t like about it.

I never test drove the q4 but did view it and it was so underwhelming when it was working out up to 10k more expensive than my air for a similar battery/range/spec.

The higher specs of ev6 seem unreal, however for my first step into the ev world we decided to play it safe with a £42k air and I still feel it is such good value compared to anything else around that price point.


Anyway that’s my 2 cents and hope it helps.

EDIT - it’s also a complete head turner and conversation starter!

 

[Murchison 2003]

Logicpro8

TBH EV6 any day of the week. Have driven both and EV6 was the much responsive and comfortable drive.
I've got an Audi Q4 on order, had to cancel my EV6 as i stated previously in the thread due to the wife.
Initially was due here in the UK in February however was told week 19 for build and then a week later updated to no build date so god knows when this thing will appear. I think the Q4 just looks like any other Audi in the Q range, nothing special.

 

[tangey]

When reading the list for the Q4 and the list for the EV6, it appears pretty clear that the summation is very much in favour of the EV6. You did not include the "full of EV6 issues" in the lists. One wonders are there zero issues with the Q4 ?

Most of the issues I've read appear to be software (charging graph, zombie, some of the heating issues) as opposed to being inherent in the car design, so you (and I) can reasonably expect these to get resolved.

 

[Logicpro8]

I went from 2019 q3 to ev6.
Had it for a month now.
yes there are some issues, the heat one particularly is the one I’m seeing. This has already been partially fixed through update.
I’ve not had any other issues such as zombie mode etc
But Kia seem to be in the ball with fixes which is a good sign.

the q4 was the logical move for me coming from a q3 but honestly I felt the q3 was so small after carting a family around for 2 years. I could never get totally comfortable driving it and when the seat was back there was no adult legroom in the back. The ev6 is so spacious than I can’t ever imagine anyone having an issue even if you were carrying 5 adults.
The boot in ev6 is apparently smaller on volume but it’s feels bigger, I can get pram in no problem that I couldn’t with q3 (q3 and q4 very similar size hence why I’m using it as my comparison)

all the things you are saying are correct. No matter what you are always paying an Audi premium for the badge. And now in the world of evs that’s just not required. The VAG group infatuation with add ons is a real turn off for me.

Me and the wife love the ev6 even more now after a month of ownership than we did when we bought it.
She would t touch the q3 when we got it and instead preferred her fabia!! Now I can’t get her out of the ev6. She says everything about it just feels right but it’s hard to list what exactly. I feel the same, it’s just the whole package just fits and there is nothing I don’t like about it.

I never test drove the q4 but did view it and it was so underwhelming when it was working out up to 10k more expensive than my air for a similar battery/range/spec.

The higher specs of ev6 seem unreal, however for my first step into the ev world we decided to play it safe with a £42k air and I still feel it is such good value compared to anything else around that price point.


Anyway that’s my 2 cents and hope it helps.

EDIT - it’s also a complete head turner and conversation starter!

Thank you! just what I was looking for, and you coming from Audi already. Just have a brand pull to Audi, it's their marketing I am sure but after you see and drive the EV6 or anything else other than Audi your eyes are opened to what else is on offer and most of it is really good, EV6 for example. The Q3 comparison is a good one, Q4 is almost the same, yes it is small inside, when I test drove the Q4 it seems very claustrophobic in the cabin, EV6 is close but is laid out better with more space. Audi premium badge and their add on packs are fading for me, years ago I was right into Audi and their image, but actually, it's not soo much a very special thing to own now, underwhelming (Q4 E Tron anyway) and not worth the extra cost. Glad your wife loves the EV6, it's a big hit in our house as well. I bet the EV6 Air is just as nice as the GT Line, yes it has style differences but the Air is nice as well for sure. I see the EV6 is a conversation starter for sure and a real head turner, even my Mrs was like, "Is that a Kia" when she first saw it.

Thank you again for your input

 

[Logicpro8]

Logicpro8

TBH EV6 any day of the week. Have driven both and EV6 was the much responsive and comfortable drive.
I've got an Audi Q4 on order, had to cancel my EV6 as i stated previously in the thread due to the wife.
Initially was due here in the UK in February however was told week 19 for build and then a week later updated to no build date so god knows when this thing will appear. I think the Q4 just looks like any other Audi in the Q range, nothing special.

Thank you as well for your input. I agree fully, Q4 seems to have something about it that is like the ID4 and feels very heavy compared to the EV6, very responsive and comfortable, the Q4 E Tron was also comfortable but felt smaller inside and less nimble and a tad slow. That's a real shame about cancelling the EV6, sorry to hear that, I am sure the wife wants the Audi for the brand name right and for good reason. The same situation as I have been through in recent years, it wears off gradually year after year, as the brand image becomes less important to anyone looking at your car, before ordering a Kia I thought it was a good image to have an Audi, friends liked it, I liked it, people looked at it, that's not important anymore and actually, all of these things wear off after a while anyway, soo many Audis on the road now anyway, all looking the same pretty much and all of the time paying that extra for the Audi badge, quite a bit extra in some cases.

The Q4 E-Tron is just a standard Audi SUV, with the same look as before which is a shame, they could have given some type of dynamic stying like the E Tron GT, sharper looking, future EV looking. This is where the EV6 beats it in my eyes, the styling and value, it's like nothing else. Maybe this is why the Q4 seems almost toy looking-plastic on the front, they kept the standard Audi SUV look with the fake grill etc, added even more plastic. Dont get me wrong, I bet for some it is a great car and they will love it! I loved my Audis of past years, but for me, it is time for a change, and by the sounds of it I am not alone with brand change.

 

[EVfanfromLux]

My thoughts exactly LogicPro8 - I think the German branding is becoming overrated at this point of the EV market reset. After testing the Model 3, Model Y, Q4, Enyaq, Ioniq5 and EV6 the KIA came out a clear winner in terms of value (not even close to others) and overall package. I am trading in my 2018 BMW 320 xDrive for it without a doubt in my mind. We ordered a Pearlescent White GT Line with all the packs except the sunroof and 20" alloys and arrived at a 45k EUR price tag after state subsidies, which is just absurd for the sheer amount of car you get without even mentioning the 7y warranty, which is not insignificant with all of the electronics that can start failing (have paid an arm and a leg before for my Beemer repairs).

Now if only I did not have to wait until September for it to arrive...

 

[Logicpro8]

When reading the list for the Q4 and the list for the EV6, it appears pretty clear that the summation is very much in favour of the EV6. You did not include the "full of EV6 issues" in the lists. One wonders are there zero issues with the Q4 ?

Another long post, sorry It will be my last I promise.

Most of the issues I've read appear to be software (charging graph, zombie, some of the heating issues) as opposed to being inherent in the car design, so you (and I) can reasonably expect these to get resolved.

Thanks for replying, yes, of course, my list is EV6 focused and the EV6 is not alone with having issues (most of them are now fixed I hope or coming soon), I have not looked into the Q4 issues in detail as I am not buying one, however, on past high-level investigations when I was considering buying one there are issues with the Q4 E Tron as well. Some are more serious than the EV6 issues.EV6 also has issues, of course, nothing is perfect, not even a £50k car

I won't go into dramatic details here about Audi and this is not a post about bashing Audi or Kia, just a straight comparison between them and the issues/value they have. Please dont let any of this put you off buying a Q4 E Tron, they are being picky in some cases. EV6 has many issues which I could also mention, it would also be a big list

My experiences of issues in the Q4 personally on a test drive were not soo good, nothing on the Audi or Kia are inherent in the car design as you say but lacking in some areas.

1. MMI shows that Privacy settings should be reviewed even after you select OK, turn the car off they come back, known issue I think. MMI at traffic lights went dark and reset, the whole system has frozen beforehand. weird. Seen this in my A4 as well.

2. Cant set preconditions in the cabin without setting a timer, maybe fixed now in software, and the screen is a fingerprint magnet, 10mins in playing about it was covered. EV6 didn't have this issue, coating on the screen or something stopping it?

3. The range which is a big one, for me over a 60min test drive 165 - 170 miles for 100% charge, I recall 2.5 m/kWh or something like that, Q4 isn't that heavy right and I drove under the speed limit, it has an 82 kWh battery, bigger than the EV6. I am sure this may be wrong but it is what the car told me, Audi salesman said 190-220 miles in summer conditions is about right so 170ish in winter is also about right seems way off what owners say....and that the energy-zapping part of the Q4 E-Tron is getting its weight up to speed, motorways kill the range for some reason, maybe being resolved in 2022 cars with better range added I was also told. say the car had 317 mile of range (I've never seen the claimed mile range while sitting in the car which was 100% charged showing 250miles range) 220 miles for some other users on speak EV, why the huggggeeee difference?. Seems worse than the EV6.

4. BHP down on EV6 and a top speed limited to 99mph. Not that I would need to travel at 100mph... And to my amazement, the car uses very cheaply made/looking drum breaks are the rear..

5, Sunroof leaked some rainwater while driving, easy fix I suppose, well-knowen issues on Speak EV forums and with E Tron SUV as well (not Q4)

6. Car smelt of damp, it's not really acceptable to have a luxury car where the carpets are wet and smelling of damp, where is the cabin heat to dry them. Maybe because it was a test car, if it was just sitting there for days/week sure, these things happen, however, I had to book a test drive and wiat for days as other have booked so it was being used.

7. General all-around visibility of this Audi was poor, especially for parking. EV6 not soo much so, no reverse camera as standard!!! some with a pack of course, but the headlights in particular are brilliant, EV6 lights are not soo good.

8. The extras!!!! and the Quartic steering wheel is just weird, hit the buttons all the time as well, as they are touch-sensitive. Matrix LED headlights (£1,075), Safety Package Plus (£650), Function Package (£325), Ambient lighting Pack Plus (£100), Technology Pack (£1,200), flat top and bottom steering wheel with paddles (£285), it goes on and on and on.

Major issues were reported I read about.
1. Brake pressure issues recall notice on MMI and Audi app
2. Uneven wear on front tyres and brake pads.
3. Breaks creaking a low speed, seems a regen system issue, adjustment needed for some users.
4. Airbag recall for some cars I found out.

A summary is like others have mentioned about the Q4 Etron.
Efficiency is somewhat unforgivable, same as Kia but seems much worse, Speak EV forum is full of range issues, i guess same as EV6 has.. Quality (or lack of) in an Audi costing this much is unforgivable coming from Audi before, again Speak EV forums suggests paint issues, build quality issues, quality is lacking for sure. Every car manufacturer builds the odd lemon car, I think this is it for Audi unfortunately.

Kia also has some unforgivable issues though, heating issues, the range is down, zombie mode issues, headlights are not the best etc etc etc.

So all in all, I think my looking at everyone's comments here and without getting into a tit for tat debate on whois best Kia vs Audi. I am confident in my EV6 choice, I may look back to Audi in the future, they make really nice cars! however, their prices match this and value is sort of lacking..... for good reason, their brand rep is driving this.

 

[Logicpro8]

My thoughts exactly LogicPro8 - I think the German branding is becoming overrated at this point of the EV market reset. After testing the Model 3, Model Y, Q4, Enyaq, Ioniq5 and EV6 the KIA came out a clear winner in terms of value (not even close to others) and overall package. I am trading in my 2018 BMW 320 xDrive for it without a doubt in my mind. We ordered a Pearlescent White GT Line with all the packs except the sunroof and 20" alloys and arrived at a 45k EUR price tag after state subsidies, which is just absurd for the sheer amount of car you get without even mentioning the 7y warranty, which is not insignificant with all of the electronics that can start failing (have paid an arm and a leg before for my Beemer repairs).

Now if only I did not have to wait until September for it to arrive...

100% my thoughts as well, glad I am not alone! the 2018 BMW 320 xDrive is a nice car for sure! and your now giving up on BMW for Kia because of value and that the EV6 is really a great car. BMW, Merc, Jaguar, Audi drivers are hard to please, range rover as well actually!, let me tell you, you will know this first hand and Kia has pulled in this market now all the range rover, BMW, Merc, Jaguar, Audi owners. Users on this forum come from very luxuary car makers to Kia because of the EV6! times are changing for sure with EVs and brand value and image. People now know it.

 

[thomasez]

Drum brakes at the back wheels are really smart. Wish the EV6 had that aswell. With RWD (and AWD) and regen happening at the back the breaks will not be used much at all. And that will make them rust.

Replacing more or less unused discs every third or so year is annoying and (usually) not taken on warranty.

 

[MurlinatoR]

Drum brakes at the back wheels are really smart. Wish the EV6 had that aswell. With RWD (and AWD) and regen happening at the back the breaks will not be used much at all. And that will make them rust.

Replacing more or less unused discs every third or so year is annoying and (usually) not taken on warranty.

Drum brakes rust WAY more than disc brakes.

 

[Logicpro8]

They may be a smart idea but they DO rust badly, my old ford has this issue let’s hope they are new generation drum breaks that don’t rust? but they create no dust and I get that the car does most of the braking in the front and in the motor, but come on... I have never seen a rusty caliper on my old old old 2010 A3 that's not moved for 2 years in Scotland. Tesla is the same as their current models right?. They will be just be rotting away and Seize up when you don’t use them enough or so they say. And in an EV, you don’t use them enough generally so then drum brakes make a lot of sense on the rear of EVs I agree fully, but they have fade issues which may not be an issue on EVs plus it just looks silly on such an expensive car, having calipers at the rear seems to be for styling and emergency stops in the EV6... need to oil them up to stop rusting, if they rust at all.

 

[Logicpro8]

Does anyone know why Kia didn't use drums at the rear?. Do BMW or anyone else?. I know all VW MEB platforms do, all the IDs and Audi EVs.

 

[MurlinatoR]

Does anyone know why Kia didn't use drums at the rear?. Do BMW or anyone else?. I know all VW MEB platforms do, all the IDs and Audi EVs.

Because disc brakes are safer, faster stopping, and lower maintenance costs.

 

[thomasez]

Disc brakes on electric cars is a problem here in Norway. They are just not used alot and end up rusting. BMW i3 puts on the brakes from time to time to make sure they are used and other cars may do this aswell.

My 2018 Leaf was not far away from needing new disc brakes at the last service and was told I had to be more eager on making sure I used the brakes to "clean off" the rust.

This is kinda common knowlegde here in Norway. Salt on the roads during winter time does not help either.

Drum brakes has been chosen on the MEB platform for this reason and I am pretty sure they are right.

 

[MurlinatoR]

Well, right, wrong, or indifferent... safety is my choice when it comes to my vehicles (and my family) and it has been proven for decades that disc brakes are far superior to drum brakes in emergency stopping. shrugs