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#284 ·
Speculation: does anyone think the delayed software is to update the cars for use at Tesla superchargers? I know, only 100kw right now, so not game changing, but just saw this article that suggests some in the wild testing is taking place.

electrek.co

Ioniq 5 & EV6 spotted with native NACS port, Hyundai confirms 2024 release

A Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 have been spotted at a supercharger, but not charging with an adapter –...
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#285 ·
seanatki said:
Speculation: does anyone think the delayed software is to update the cars for use at Tesla superchargers? I know, only 100kw right now, so not game changing, but just saw this article that suggests some in the wild testing is taking place.

electrek.co

Ioniq 5 & EV6 spotted with native NACS port, Hyundai confirms 2024 release

A Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 have been spotted at a supercharger, but not charging with an adapter –...
electrek.co electrek.co
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No,this is just Maps,Infotainment & Menu system. The updates to change the charging system will have to be applied by a dealer if they come. The facelifted EV6 is a completely different matter. All things are OTA on that.
 
#288 · (Edited)
Durham EV6 said:
Date in August? 🤔 Mines going in for recall and updates on Friday 2nd August 👍
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I seriously doubt it will be available on 8/2......it seems like vaporware at this point; however, it has to be released at some point. Here's hoping it will at least be worth the wait!
 
#289 ·
evodessey said:
No,this is just Maps,Infotainment & Menu system. The updates to change the charging system will have to be applied by a dealer if they come. The facelifted EV6 is a completely different matter. All things are OTA on that.
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What changes to the charging system need to be made? AFAIK both the car and Tesla chargers speak CCS. The only changes to facilitate charging will be Tesla whitelisting HMG cars and Tesla chargers being added to the factory nav, which would be one of these updates.

I'm not suggesting it will be included, but you can charge an EV6 today at a Magic Dock equipped supercharger so I see no reason a dealer update will be required for further SC access.
 
#290 ·
Yes, since mid 2021
b5bob said:
What changes to the charging system need to be made? AFAIK both the car and Tesla chargers speak CCS. The only changes to facilitate charging will be Tesla whitelisting HMG cars and Tesla chargers being added to the factory nav, which would be one of these updates.

I'm not suggesting it will be included, but you can charge an EV6 today at a Magic Dock equipped supercharger so I see no reason a dealer update will be required for further SC access.
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CCS can request the VIN (as shown with EVGo's Autocharge. Remember that the second "digit" in the VIN identifies the manufacturer. Tesla wouldn't even need a VIN whitelist as it would just need to see the second digit and recognize that it's an allowed manufacturer. And at some point, it will all allow everyone, so no VIN check would even be needed. So agree that no dealer update would be required.
 
#291 ·
The VIN (or network adapter address) is not a preferred method for authentication because it can be spoofed. Plug & Charge uses a key unique to the vehicle that's signed by the vehicle manufacturer. The charger can use the manufacturer's public key to verify that the car's key is legit.

The other way is exactly the way the MagicDock stations do it: select the dispenser in the app and press start. The only difference would be providing your own adapter.
 
#292 ·
alansh42 said:
The VIN (or network adapter address) is not a preferred method for authentication because it can be spoofed. Plug & Charge uses a key unique to the vehicle that's signed by the vehicle manufacturer. The charger can use the manufacturer's public key to verify that the car's key is legit.

The other way is exactly the way the MagicDock stations do it: select the dispenser in the app and press start. The only difference would be providing your own adapter.
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So Ford and Rivian are using the key method? What actual work would be required at the dealer to activate that for HMG cars?
 
#294 ·
Besides whatever hardware/software/firmware requirements there are, Kia US would also need to develop a payment system that them to process payment systems for Tesla, EA, or other charging companies to use. I'm not actually the latter is required but it looks like every implementation of the standard has the car manufacturer handling payments.

Plug and Charge has been announced for the ioniq 6 and EV9 in Europe but nothing for the US market. I don't think we'll ever see Plug & Charge on current gen EV6s.
 
#295 ·
I just find it a bit hard to believe, given everything else around these cars, that they're going to launch a nationwide campaign to upgrade cars to Plug and Charge. Ford was first in line and it was clearly important for them to offer a first class experience. Same with Rivian, who are also a tech-savvy company and could easily push the update remotely. HMG were one of the last to announce NACS and have been pretty quiet on details for the existing cars.

I guess maybe it could be an optional TSB like battery preconditioning.
 
#296 ·
Our cars are running on software developed for ICE vehicles as it was introduced back in 2020 with the Telluride/Palisade. It didn't come with real route planning or battery preconditioning.

As much as HMG is praised for the eGMP platform, it's obvious its nowhere near mature. Some recent press release by Hyundai brags about getting rid of accessory mode for their next gen EV platform. Because why would you ever run an EV on just the 12v battery? But some firmware module (Keyless start feature?) they used on every other vehicle in their lineup requires it so they just used it on their EVs too.

The sad part is, they could have been refining this software for EVs because the OG Niro EV used it. Instead, they did basically nothing.
 
#297 ·
I'm convinced there's just one dude in some basement in Seoul coding the software for our cars, as compared to an entire team and subteams at Tesla. This explains why we get just two updates a year and the updates are lackluster. Even ccNC is based on the underlying Gen5 platform, but with the ability to address individual modules. HMG is really behind everyone else when it comes to software. For now, it's not a big deal, as I exclusively use my tbox and SIM. I don't anticipate my next car to be an HMG product. It will probably be a VW-Rivian based EV.
 
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BoogieWoogieWoogie said:
I'm convinced there's just one dude in some basement in Seoul coding the software for our cars, as compared to an entire team and subteams at Tesla. This explains why we get just two updates a year and the updates are lackluster. Even ccNC is based on the underlying Gen5 platform, but with the ability to address individual modules. HMG is really behind everyone else when it comes to software. For now, it's not a big deal, as I exclusively use my tbox and SIM. I don't anticipate my next car to be an HMG product. It will probably be a VW-Rivian based EV.
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I agree completely unfortunately. I've suggested for a while that with as much revenue as the company brings in, they should hire a team of 10 solely focused on software improvements, paying them an avg of $200k/year. $2M/year to improve software, taking consumer feedback, is a drop in the bucket and would do wonders for all HMG vehicles.
 
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