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#1 ·
Hi all - I just got my EV6 GT line in Snow White Pearl last week and it is AWESOME !!! Love it in almost every way and have had no software issues so far.

However the sound system really is a disappointment. I came from a BMW 3 series with upgraded B&O speakers that were great.

I've read the post/comments and reviews already and I agree with most that the bass is weak and the mid-levels and vocals sound tinny. The sound is better when using the Kia's Media system and worse with CarPlay. There is a very limited equalizer adjustment so can't do much there.

I really do love hearing great sound from the speakers when listening to music when driving.

I am not a speaker/audio expert at all and was wondering if anyone on the forum might be and provide some advice on how to improve the sound system. Would simply buying a subwoofer help? Would it be better to replace all of the speakers? Which brands would you recommend?

Thank you for any guidance anyone can provide !!
 
#406 ·
Are folks going with the Rockville SS8P (or the Blaupunkt 8") simply because it's the least-expensive aftermarket sub solution at $100, especially given that the Kicker 46HS10 which quite a few other folks have chosen to use goes for $315? I can't imagine the bass performance of the Rockville 8" to be equally on par with that of the Kicker 10" so it's gotta be a cost thing...no?
 
#397 ·
Voila,
Apologies for the bad photos, this sub (Pioneer TS-WX130DA) is tiny, the installer told me I could easily fit an amp above it :)

It sounds great and has lots of volume, I'm running it with volume about 40% volume on it's remote. It's pretty deep too.
I like to hear the sub but not have it overwhelm - not looking to shake the car. Together with the Morel Tweeters this has given the sound system the boost it needed and a real pleasure to listen/drive now.

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#393 ·
People, just a reminder, don't ignore the tweeters, I upgraded to Morel Virtus I had from a few years ago and the improvement is quite dramatic. To make a clean install I got two of the cheaper tweeters from Kia parts and drilled the new tweeters into them, the installer did, I got a pro.

this along with the Alpine sub totally transformed the sound, highly recommended!
 
#448 ·
People, just a reminder, don't ignore the tweeters, I upgraded to Morel Virtus I had from a few years ago and the improvement is quite dramatic. To make a clean install I got two of the cheaper tweeters from Kia parts and drilled the new tweeters into them, the installer did, I got a pro.

this along with the Alpine sub totally transformed the sound, highly recommended!
Why did you have to buy another set of tweeters to drill into when you had the stock ones in the car already ? Replacing the sub in the boot is a lot lower on the accident scale than starting to pull off door parts that will be seen forever. I wonder if anyone has some pictures of what is required to replace the tweeters and other speakers in the front. My sub replacement has not given me a satisfactory sound experience yet and I was skeptical it would from the start.
 
#385 ·
Order the connector from Korea.
Take out factory sub.
Get wood board for support.
Plug Korea connector into the factory connector. Splice amp wires to the Korea connector.

These are the colors from factory that plug into the Korean part, use your amp paperwork to match up the Left, Right, Positive, Negative

Brown Left+
White. Left -
Pink. Right+
Red. Right -


Install the 12v cigarette lighter.
Enjoy a great sound system.

Part from Korea that makes things SO much easier and you don't have to cut any factory wires.


I got the Kicker 10 inch.



I bought this floor mat to put under the kicker and top of the board, cut to size.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09CYDRFWQ?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

this is the 12 v power supply.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HGO2OIS?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
 
#383 ·
Hello people,
So a quick update, I finally got around to replacing the front tweeters with a pair of Morel Virtus I had from an earlier car. I also relaced the sub with a Pioneer TS-WX130DA (again from an older car). I also got a thinkware q1000 dashcam installed at the same time but that's not relevant to the sound quality... :)


All of this was installed by a good (and expensive) audio shop that I worked with for years, so I don't know the technical details, but I can comment on the sound.

So firstly, I had proper sound systems in cars (full on Morel with a giant sub in the boot, for example) and in general I consider myself an audiophile, my wife says spending around $15k on a 2 channel system in the living room is a bit too much. In the past I used to spend ages with REW trying to configure a sub in a 2 channel system and was also guilty of 'listening to the carpet' at some point :) I'm older and busier nowadays. I listen to different genres, Jazz, rock, electronic, hip-hop, etc.

So to start with I was kind of pleased with the Meridian system, sure the sub was lacking but overall it had detail and finesse, that improved with break in (I did about 18k miles on the car in the past 9 months-ish). My EQ was flat other than -2 in the bass because it was a little booming - on the stock system. I even like the surround mode (as opposed to 'authentic').
So I was worried about upgrading because how will the components work together, crossovers etc.

Eventually took the leap and I'm happy I did, firstly the tweeters are just terrific and open up the sound and the highs are delicate and have those 'I didn't hear that before' moments, so that's cool, I understood the installers added some component as a resistor or an analogue crosse over before the Virtus tweeters, BTW.

Now the sub is great. I had it installed under the glove compartment of a Jaguar many years ago and felt like it didn't add much and was barely audible, in any way I replaced that car a couple of months later, and it waited in the attic ever since.

It was placed in place of the Meridian sub and uses it's high level inputs. It made a huge difference, the is super loud, I set the volume to 40% on the subs wired controller and it vibrates the car. Which is cool and not at the same time.

I tuned it by hearing and set the sub cut off frequency around 60Hz, in normal music, acoustic, pop, rock basically with no real sub frequencies it's great, just gentle and adds just a little body to the sound its great. However the moment I play hit hop or electronic music it's super loud and overpowered, I'm after SQ not SPL.
I tried to play with the settings like lowering the bass in the EQ but it's very noticeable in the music, tried to play with the sub settings but with every other song I feel an urge to reach to the controller and usually lower it even more.

It is good overall but I feel like I haven't dialled it in properly yet. A properly set up sub should sound good and 'fit' whatever the music. I wonder if the sub enclosure is perhaps too big (ironically?) It's very loud... Another option is that the meridian system somehow aggressively boosts those low frequencies because they new the original sub sucks?

Happy to hear ideas and any questions, overall it was a good move and the car is even more fun than before!

PS
Using apple music lossless (local) file on my phone playing through wired car play.
 
#379 ·
Hawk:

Thanks for your kind words. I'm willing to bet the "big gun" you mention is an understatement.

Instead of spending any more bucks on my EV6, I'm using those funds to add 4 more channels of amplification and speakers to my home theater, taking it to an 11.2 configuration. But I'm envious of what you are doing. I made my decision based upon anticipated hours of use, and I spend way more time at home than in my car.
 
#377 ·
You are on the right track. Moving the fader towards the rears will improve the overall sound because what you are really doing is reducing the level of the fronts to more closely track the rears. When you move the fader rearward, the rears don't get any louder at all; you are simply trying to achieve a reasonable balance in the relative volume between front and back. I've got the rear balance fader about the diameter of the "knob" towards the rear from the center circle.
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(The top of the fader just touches the bottom of the center circle) Try to use some bass heavy program material to make this adjustment. SiriusXM Channel 53 {Chill} is a good bass heavy source. Also, ONLY USE THE REAR ARROW to make this adjustment. If you deviate at all when moving the fader, the rears will immediately drop out. (That's the muting kicking in.) If this happens, touch the "Center" target to restore the rear channels. This unwanted behavior really demonstrates how the muting function works improperly.

Once the levels match (as best they can, it won't be perfect), you then use the volume control and the rears will track. What you are doing is reducing the fronts to match the rears. Because the fronts will now track the rears, volume changes will be better, but you will be using a much higher overall volume to overcome the muting (reduced but not off) that is stuck on the rear channels. You'll be pushing the amplifier harder to overcome the reduced front levels, but the rear bias you have added will make the overall sound much more balanced.
Observation: Using Surround mode adds in the two high mounted rear surround speakers. If and when the onboard navigation speaks, or receives a text notification, you'll hear it loud and clear through the surrounds (if in surround mode) because they unmute momentarily to make the announcement.
Meridian designed the system to automatically reduce the level of your chosen source momentarily so you can hear the navigation or other warnings when they occur. I'm calling this muting, but the proper term in professional audio is ducking. The primary source volume drops (it "ducks" down but isn't silenced) so the warning can be heard. THIS is the underlying problem in the head unit. The rear channels are stuck in this ducked or muted state.
I have documented this anomaly and sent it to Kia Customer Service.
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I have had long sessions with the Service Techs at my dealer, including a Kia Certified Master EV Tech (who I don't fault at all) and they fully understand and agree this is a problem. But there is absolutely nothing they can do because the problem is going to require a software update. Kia has tried multiple fixes for this including replacing the amplifier, (which doesn't work) because the problem is in the head unit.
If you need to prove this to your Service Writer, get them to sit with you in your car and do the setup process I described earlier. Then ask them to do the exact same experiment on any other new Kia on the lot (any model they want except another EV6). The problem is immediately evident. Your service department can't fix it (yet). The only other workaround is to use the "big guns", and install a powered subwoofer. This instantly improves everything because it can amplify the muted output from the EV6 external amp. This is why multitudes of EV6 owners are taking things into their own hands and bringing in the "big guns” and instant nirvana a powered subwoofer provides. This solution is best for the the front seats, but rear seat passengers will still have muted rear doors and surrounds, (but plenty of bass). The intended Meridian experience fails to materialize. The Meridian factory installed subwoofer is actually quite capable, (if it weren't getting the muted input). It is actually biamped; the single woofer has two voice coils and each is fed by it's own amp channel. But it can't deliver anything when it's getting a muted signal. This is why the Meridian system can't deliver as it was designed. Meridian has gone on record that the level of the rear channels should match the front channels. But I doubt if any Meridian engineer has ever sat in a production EV6. If they did, they would be horrified. But Meridian has no support network at all for their automobile products, there is no mention of any automobile product on their website. Only Kia can fix this, and I'm confident they will eventually actually listen to what is rolling off the line. But for me, I choose to wait for the fix. The audiophile in me disagrees, but the way I look at it, I shouldn't have to add a powered sub to a $50,000+ car just to hear what was intended.
 
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(The top of the fader just touches the bottom of the center circle) Try to use some bass heavy program material to make this adjustment. SiriusXM Channel 53 {Chill} is a good bass heavy source. Also, ONLY USE THE REAR ARROW to make this adjustment. If you deviate at all when moving the fader, the rears will immediately drop out. (That's the muting kicking in.) If this happens, touch the "Center" target to restore the rear channels. This unwanted behavior really demonstrates how the muting function works improperly.

If you need to prove this to your Service Writer, get them to sit with you in your car and do the setup process I described earlier. Then ask them to do the exact same experiment on any other new Kia on the lot (any model they want except another EV6). The problem is immediately evident. Your service department can't fix it (yet). The only other workaround is to use the "big guns", and install a powered subwoofer. This instantly improves everything because it can amplify the muted output from the EV6 external amp. This is why multitudes of EV6 owners are taking things into their own hands and bringing in the "big guns” and instant nirvana a powered subwoofer provides. This solution is best for the the front seats, but rear seat passengers will still have muted rear doors and surrounds, (but plenty of bass). The intended Meridian experience fails to materialize. The Meridian factory installed subwoofer is actually quite capable, (if it weren't getting the muted input). It is actually biamped; the single woofer has two voice coils and each is fed by it's own amp channel. But it can't deliver anything when it's getting a muted signal. This is why the Meridian system can't deliver as it was designed. Meridian has gone on record that the level of the rear channels should match the front channels. But I doubt if any Meridian engineer has ever sat in a production EV6. If they did, they would be horrified. But Meridian has no support network at all for their automobile products, there is no mention of any automobile product on their website. Only Kia can fix this, and I'm confident they will eventually actually listen to what is rolling off the line. But for me, I choose to wait for the fix. The audiophile in me disagrees, but the way I look at it, I shouldn't have to add a powered sub to a $50,000+ car just to hear what was intended.
Great post Manticore!
When and where has Meridian gone on record with this? I want to bring that dokumentation with me to my dealer, when i try one more time getting them to acknowledge this problem, using your "method" of letting them go through your "fading test", then try any other car on their lot, other than an EV6.
 
#374 ·
All it would take is 2 more channels of amplification. Connect the new amplifiers between the existing amplifier and the rear speakers.
You would probably be dissatisfied however.
That's because all the rear channels (mains, surrounds, and the sub) are muted. (Not Off, but down by 20 to 30 dB). You would still need a way to make the rear channels "track" the front channel levels. Otherwise you would have to be constantly adjusting the rear channels output levels to track the front.

None of the TSB's Kia has issued relative to the subwoofer have corrected this problem. I'm holding out for the KIA fix as I don't think I should have to add an amplifier to make my rear speakers audible. Going the powered subwoofer route makes a tremendous improvement, but it doesn't solve the rear sides and surrounds being muted. Meridian has gone on record that the rear channels should have the same output levels as the fronts, but I have yet to hear the rear speakers work properly in any EV6 I've tested. Meridian didn't manufacture the KIA sound system, they designed it. But your head unit was designed by KIA. Kia makes it interface with all the sensors, radars, cameras, audio sources, radio, phone, Bluetooth and internet signals to keep the car on the road and the driver entertained. There's a tremendous amount of processing going on in that head unit. But somewhere deep inside there's a bad line of code, and so far, the engineers haven't found it. When they do, you'll be able to sell your powered subwoofer on eBay.
 
#375 ·
All it would take is 2 more channels of amplification. Connect the new amplifiers between the existing amplifier and the rear speakers.
You would probably be dissatisfied however.
That's because all the rear channels (mains, surrounds, and the sub) are muted. (Not Off, but down by 20 to 30 dB). You would still need a way to make the rear channels "track" the front channel levels. Otherwise you would have to be constantly adjusting the rear channels output levels to track the front.

None of the TSB's Kia has issued relative to the subwoofer have corrected this problem. I'm holding out for the KIA fix as I don't think I should have to add an amplifier to make my rear speakers audible. Going the powered subwoofer route makes a tremendous improvement, but it doesn't solve the rear sides and surrounds being muted. Meridian has gone on record that the rear channels should have the same output levels as the fronts, but I have yet to hear the rear speakers work properly in any EV6 I've tested. Meridian didn't manufacture the KIA sound system, they designed it. But your head unit was designed by KIA. Kia makes it interface with all the sensors, radars, cameras, audio sources, radio, phone, Bluetooth and internet signals to keep the car on the road and the driver entertained. There's a tremendous amount of processing going on in that head unit. But somewhere deep inside there's a bad line of code, and so far, the engineers haven't found it. When they do, you'll be able to sell your powered subwoofer on eBay.
Interesting and good information: Last Friday I did a Kia Complaint via the website about the rear speakers being lower than the front. Kia called me back in several hours and suggested I take it to my dealer. I called the closest dealer to my house (I bought my EV6 out of state from a dealer not charging over MSRP). Their EV guy was on vacation and they told me to call back in a week. Not sure what is going to be accomplished taking it in. It is a known problem. But at least I will have record of the rear speakers being at a lower volume than the front.
 
#371 ·
The four wires you have coming from the KIA amplifier are the inputs to the subwoofer. The subwoofer is really biamped; it combines the outputs of a left subwoofer channel + (brown) with the right subwoofer channel + (pink). The white wire is the left channel subwoofer - (white) and the red wire is the left channel subwoofer -.
Summarized: (all are high level outputs)
Brown Left+
White. Left -
Pink. Right+
Red. Right -

You need to determine which wires on the kicker harness are the subwoofer inputs and connect the above outputs to those inputs.
You'll need to refer to the Kicker documentation to determine which wires are the high level inputs.
 
#370 · (Edited)
Got old woofer out, new Kicker 10 in. Will do wiring tomorrow. However, I am confused. I bought the connector from Korea.
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What color wires will go to the Kicker wires?
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From the first picture I have Brown, White, Pink, Red that slides into the Korean part.

On the kicker wiring harness I have Red, Blue, Black , Grey, Grey with Black stripe, White, and White with Black stripe.


From earlier in this post some said:
Brown -- Grey
White - Grey with Black Stripe
Pink -- White
Red -- White/Black

From the the power outlet I am going to go red power wire to red kicker power wire. Then connect the black ground wire from amp to black wire from power adaptor.

So on the Kicker harness I will not use the blue or black ground correct?
 
#368 · (Edited)
Come on DHL. Got my shipment confirmation from the Korean website.

Dear, Michael Nugent

Thank you for your order from Sparekorea.com! We wanted to let you know your order# was shipped via DHL today. You can track your package at any time using link below
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