[getakey]

I can see both sides, but having fake shifts is like making vegetarian food look like hamburgers or even turkey

 

[Elhovo]

I can see both sides, but having fake shifts is like making vegetarian food look like hamburgers or even turkey

Or worse, make a hamburger look like a zucchini

 

[tonester]

The sound and rev limiter nonsense in the upcoming cars is akin to how I sometimes play my 80s MAME games with reduced resolution and virtual scan lines turned on so that I can mimic the CRT arcade look and feel of yesteryear that I grew up with. It has no practical use and goes against common sense (why would you not want crystal clear 4k resolution?).

Its time to move on.

Yes I'm not helping with my post in keeping this thread on-topic, but as an arcade enthusiast I have to respectfully disagree with your arcade game comment--as an owner of a couple of actual 80's arcade game cabs (Tempest and Stargate) I would much rather prefer playing those real versions than playing emulated versions of them (yes I have MAME and plenty of ROMs to play them in MAME including the ones for Tempest and Stargate) on a 4K display any day. I do agree that it's a bit silly to play an old school arcade game in MAME with emulated scan lines but clearly you're not a true arcade enthusiast if you're arguing that nothing beats playing a (classic) arcade game in 4K.

 

[BoogieWoogieWoogie]

Yes I'm not helping with my post in keeping this thread on-topic, but as an arcade enthusiast I have to respectfully disagree with your arcade game comment--as an owner of a couple of actual 80's arcade game cabs (Tempest and Stargate) I would much rather prefer playing those real versions than playing emulated versions of them (yes I have MAME and plenty of ROMs to play them in MAME including the ones for Tempest and Stargate) on a 4K display any day. I do agree that it's a bit silly to play an old school arcade game in MAME with emulated scan lines but clearly you're not a true arcade enthusiast if you're arguing that nothing beats playing a (classic) arcade game in 4K.

Not legit enthusiast? LOL. I have legit cabinets (with bubble gum residue) of Tron, Arkanoid, Terminator 2, Tetris, and an obscure one called Ice Cold Beer. They provide the true arcade experience. Unfortunately, I don't have room in my basement for the roughly 3000 different arcade cabinets built worldwide during that period. I don't understand how playing classics upscaled in 4K goes toward being a purist as you claim - seems like a counterintuitive argument. To further this argument I have a $100k theater in my basement with true 4K laser projector, 175" acoustically transparent screen, riser seating, stage, 11.4 Atmos, over 10,000 watts of power, dual 5 foot tall subs, completely sound proof wall and ceiling construction, automated, lit up movie poster hallway, blah blah blah. I enjoy watching classic 80s movies and watching them as lower res, stereo, downloaded versions (even though I have all of them on remastered BluRay, with surround and some in HDR) to mimic the way I experienced them the first time. I show my kids the high res, non grainy versions because they have no nostalgia connected to the other version. Now what were you saying about being an enthusiast? Heheh feel free to chat more in PM.

But I think this goes to the argument of myself and others that one is imparting an impure (at worst), antiquated and unnecessary (at best) element to EVs. It's bad enough that our cars still rely on a 12V system. At least my new best buddy Elon is attempting to address that issue, too.

 

[tonester]

Not legit enthusiast? LOL. I have legit cabinets (with bubble gum residue) of Tron, Arkanoid, Terminator 2, Tetris, and an obscure one called Ice Cold Beer. They provide the true arcade experience. Unfortunately, I don't have room in my basement for the roughly 3000 different arcade cabinets built worldwide during that period. I don't understand how playing classics upscaled in 4K goes toward being a purist as you claim - seems like a counterintuitive argument. To further this argument I have a $100k theater in my basement with true 4K laser projector, 175" acoustically transparent screen, riser seating, stage, 11.4 Atmos, over 10,000 watts of power, dual 5 foot tall subs, completely sound proof wall and ceiling construction, automated, lit up movie poster hallway, blah blah blah. I enjoy watching classic 80s movies and watching them as lower res, stereo, downloaded versions (even though I have all of them on remastered BluRay, with surround and some in HDR) to mimic the way I experienced them the first time. I show my kids the high res, non grainy versions because they have no nostalgia connected to the other version. Now what were you saying about being an enthusiast? Heheh feel free to chat more in PM.

But I think this goes to the argument of myself and others that one is imparting an impure (at worst), antiquated and unnecessary (at best) element to EVs. It's bad enough that our cars still rely on a 12V system. At least my new best buddy Elon is attempting to address that issue, too.

Where exactly did I say that? On the contrary I indicated that a purist would not argue that playing a classic arcade game in 4K resolution beats playing the bona fide original arcade game--low-res, scan lines, and all...and perhaps even on a cab with old cigarette burn marks on the control panel too, for good ol' nostalgic measure--LOL.

My bad for assuming that you weren't an (arcade) enthusiast, but when you stated "why would you not want crystal clear 4k resolution?" (on a classic arcade game), well I just had to respond to that. Sure not everyone has an arcade cab to call their own but personally I don't care how sharp an arcade game looks in 4K resolution--it just doesn't seem the same as how it looks in its original low-res glory.

 

[BoogieWoogieWoogie]

I admit that playing at 320x200 resolution with stretched out corners and scan lines looks ridiculous and makes my older eyes strain, but it's the way I remember a lot of the games of the past. I even still put in quarters into all my cabinets even though all of them have a button that closes the coin circuit. Even my MAME cabinet has a coin door. Something about getting as close to the original feel is important to relive nostalgia. So maybe that's why people want the artificial sounds and a digital screen showing a simulated rev limiter being banged against. Who knows.

 

[kalel14]

Manual shifting an automatic was added to poorly mimic the experience of shifting a manual transmission and using a clutch. Now fake shifting in an EV is added to mimic manual automatic shifting that mimics shifting a manual transmission with a clutch. Do what you want with an EV drivetrain, it won't ever be anything like driving my M6 Hemi Challenger.

 

[BoogieWoogieWoogie]

Thankfully the days of straight-line performance, ugly American muscle are over. It will be remembered as an ugly period of time in our history when the only concern was putting the largest engine into a body, driving dynamics and handling, be damned. 😂

 

[SE3.5]

I think I'll go against the grain here. Some days I do really miss the sound of my V8, but other times I love the quiet of my EV6, I would gladly trade in these spaceship noises for the sound of a V8. The fake shifts I can do without, but the sound would be nice to turn on once in a while when you want it.

I would like my EV6 to be equipped with the Fratzonic Chambered Exhaust that I could turn on when some kid stopped next to me starts revving his engine.

 

[Baxtron]

Kia also put the NACS port on the driver's side (non-GT models) to be more convenient at Tesla Superchargers.

US-built 2025 Kia EV6 debuts with more battery, NACS port, and a fake gear shift

Kia's mid-cycle refresh sees more features added to the EV6, and a commitment to North America with NACS port and local US manufacturing.

electrek.co

https://www.kia.com/us/en/ev6-2025

Boo. All street charging and my garage charging is on the passenger side.

 

[Baxtron]

To fully comprehend the pleasure of driving a vehicle with virtual shift, firsthand experience is essential. It is not simply the auditory experience from the speakers; it is the physical sensation of the chassis vibrating and the spine tingling with each virtual shift.
Additionally, the vehicle may stall or cease accelerating if it reaches the redline.
If you have never owned a powerful car with a manual stick shift, you may never understand the joy of manually changing gears.
I have my personal garage with two powerful cars and manual shift transmission and I find the Ioniq 5 N virtual shift to be something that was missing in all electric vehicles before.
It creates a sense of connection and the feeling of driving something that responds to your senses.
And braking loose all four wheels with slight tap on the accelerator, even when going 50 MPH is something that comes with 650 HP electric vehicle that makes instant torque.
And you are probably a person who didn't have this type of technology to drive for couple days to understand what it is.

It was included on the 2010 VW Passat. It was fun until I forgot to shift.

 

[tonester]

Thankfully the days of straight-line performance, ugly American muscle are over. It will be remembered as an ugly period of time in our history when the only concern was putting the largest engine into a body, driving dynamics and handling, be damned. 😂

Speaking of straight-line performance and American muscle--this video is proof evidence that sometimes having a high-performance car won't win you any races if you don't know how to properly handle it:

BMW M4 CSL vs. (possibly) Dodge Charger

 

[BoogieWoogieWoogie]

You mean like when I did a 360 rotation in the middle of the track going 120 mph last year at my first track day in this car with crappy summer tires? Haha. Rear ends coming out at high speeds is not new. That BMW, like you said, may just not have experience or was running on crappy tires. Now YT vids of all the Mustang bros leaving car shows wiping out oncoming traffic.

 

[john.c.morrill]

The VROOM noises and manual shifting is the stupidest F*#%ing most childish thing anybody ever put into a car. If this is something you need, why don't you just get out a clothespin and clip an old playing card to the spokes like I did when I was SEVEN!! Why can't you just go "ERRRRRR ERRRRRRRRRR ERRRRRRRRRRRRR" to yourself?!!! Could it be because your wife/girlfriend would leave you?

Let's see - how can we make this great car slower? Oh - I know let's limit the acceleration until somebody flips a lever 6 times!! Brilliant!!

My feeling is that they should have done more to improve the everyday driving range of the GT version without slowing it down. THOSE would have been valuable upgrades. I have a GT-Line because the GT had such crappy range and poor efficiency relatively speaking for that 95% of the time you aren't in the act of humiliating a petrol-head. And, I can still out-accelerate my share.

 

[EV- Technician]

@john.c.morrill
Dude, you've been naughty, so Santa won't bring you any presents this Christmas.
Just kidding!
I actually find the implementation of virtual shift quite interesting and engaging.
Or the BMW approach on electric vehicles where the entire chassis vibrates before accelerating from a standstill.
And I'm a proud petrolhead on top of my I5N.
But let's face it, high-performance EVs are becoming the most sought-after performance vehicles. And I do own a few of petrol 1000+ HP vehicles in my man cave and none of them are even close to the enjoyment of using Preformance EV.

 

[mattun]

It's just to cater to consumers who find EVs sterile. If you don't like it, turn it off. It's the same as the clutchless fake semi-manual shifting they used to throw on sporty looking cars in the 90s/00s. Most people will use it a couple times and never touch it again. For the five owners who actually do use it, it'll be the coolest thing ever so good for them.

 

[Ucinn]

I don't like it so it's stupid and anybody that does is a bugar head...wow🙄

 

[john.c.morrill]

I don't like it so it's stupid and anybody that does is a bugar head...wow🙄

I see it as just pandering. It's like Ford making a Model A that could smell like a horse and crap in your driveway.

 

[ERE]

The VROOM noises and manual shifting is the stupidest F*#%ing most childish thing anybody ever put into a car. If this is something you need, why don't you just get out a clothespin and clip an old playing card to the spokes like I did when I was SEVEN!! Why can't you just go "ERRRRRR ERRRRRRRRRR ERRRRRRRRRRRRR" to yourself?!!! Could it be because your wife/girlfriend would leave you?

Let's see - how can we make this great car slower? Oh - I know let's limit the acceleration until somebody flips a lever 6 times!! Brilliant!!

My feeling is that they should have done more to improve the everyday driving range of the GT version without slowing it down. THOSE would have been valuable upgrades. I have a GT-Line because the GT had such crappy range and poor efficiency relatively speaking for that 95% of the time you aren't in the act of humiliating a petrol-head. And, I can still out-accelerate my share.

Totally agree with you. I hope you can turn it off.

 

[tkmz32]

Totally agree with you. I hope you can turn it off.

You can. There are videos of the Ioniq 5N showing it is faster with it off.